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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 124263" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><FONT color=black></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Your post although understood, cannot be implemented in any pragmatic sense.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kirpan literally translates to sword…a material object…that ‘hand of mercy’ requires input and subject to interpretation of a scenario. If a kirpan was just the hand of mercy…why shape it like blade at all? </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I don’t think you have grasped the subject from the perspective of a Canadian. It rings of American Idealism, which, until recently, I have no particular love for, after examining the unimpressive statistics emanating from that region. There are levels ascribed to objects, it’s called lethality of a weapon (the statistical probability it has to cause death and escalate a situation).</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">from a pragmatic viewpoint if you are holstering a sharp blade, 24/7 the statistics automatically work against you...no matter how "level headed" the community is.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It can escalate a situation in a ‘hot burglary’ or a confrontation that would otherwise end without serious harm.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Canadians are NOT Americans. there is no second amendment...you are not allowed to carry a lethal firearm (unless its locked and only to and fro from home to the shooting range or hunting ground or if you have a special restricted permit which they give to very few people) nor is anyone allowed to brandish a blade at a public meeting in an intimidating fashion. Knife laws are subjective but usually anything over 15 cm (5 inches) from tip of the handle to end of the blade will get you in trouble, in a public setting. (camping, fishing etc. are tolerated) … Heck even using a knife in self-defense while the aggressor has non will land you IN JAIL if the aggressor is INJURED. (use of excessive force) </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dr. Lamba is not entirely wrong in calling for a ban, but the ban should be on particular kirpans. his motives may be argued to be political in nature but also ‘examinable’. the problem is the image of the kirpan itself...It is a media relation magnet and keeps re-surfacing when things go wrong…over and over.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">however if all kirpans were made harmless, then the symbol would be readily accepted and life made easier for everyone.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">evolution and adaptation are sometimes necessary. could you imagine if every muslim or christian (child to adult) was required and thought themselves privy to brandish a 6 inch sheathed blade (of their choosing) to their side?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">does anyone honestly believe that would ease any tensions or have positive effects in a well developed multicultural society?</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 124263, member: 2684"] <FONT color=black>[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]Your post although understood, cannot be implemented in any pragmatic sense.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]kirpan literally translates to sword…a material object…that ‘hand of mercy’ requires input and subject to interpretation of a scenario. If a kirpan was just the hand of mercy…why shape it like blade at all? [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]I don’t think you have grasped the subject from the perspective of a Canadian. It rings of American Idealism, which, until recently, I have no particular love for, after examining the unimpressive statistics emanating from that region. There are levels ascribed to objects, it’s called lethality of a weapon (the statistical probability it has to cause death and escalate a situation).[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]from a pragmatic viewpoint if you are holstering a sharp blade, 24/7 the statistics automatically work against you...no matter how "level headed" the community is.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]It can escalate a situation in a ‘hot burglary’ or a confrontation that would otherwise end without serious harm.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]Canadians are NOT Americans. there is no second amendment...you are not allowed to carry a lethal firearm (unless its locked and only to and fro from home to the shooting range or hunting ground or if you have a special restricted permit which they give to very few people) nor is anyone allowed to brandish a blade at a public meeting in an intimidating fashion. Knife laws are subjective but usually anything over 15 cm (5 inches) from tip of the handle to end of the blade will get you in trouble, in a public setting. (camping, fishing etc. are tolerated) … Heck even using a knife in self-defense while the aggressor has non will land you IN JAIL if the aggressor is INJURED. (use of excessive force) [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]Dr. Lamba is not entirely wrong in calling for a ban, but the ban should be on particular kirpans. his motives may be argued to be political in nature but also ‘examinable’. the problem is the image of the kirpan itself...It is a media relation magnet and keeps re-surfacing when things go wrong…over and over.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]however if all kirpans were made harmless, then the symbol would be readily accepted and life made easier for everyone.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]evolution and adaptation are sometimes necessary. could you imagine if every muslim or christian (child to adult) was required and thought themselves privy to brandish a 6 inch sheathed blade (of their choosing) to their side?[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Arial]does anyone honestly believe that would ease any tensions or have positive effects in a well developed multicultural society?[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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