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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 170210" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>I find Sikhism best practiced when it is not forced on people.</p><p></p><p>You say that</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a contradiction, since when did Sikhism, which promotes love, acceptance, understanding, compassion, care about imposing ones will onto another? This shame you speak of, this is the shame that destroys families, turns parents into killers. I find this shame quite disgusting myself, what you are saying is that a man and wife can live completely by Sikh values, can be devoted to spreading love in the world, can be a friend and rock to all around, but if the kids do not follow the same, then they must live a life of shame, and so to avoid this, they should go against the teachings of the SGGS, and put weight instead on the opinions of society.</p><p></p><p>The best we can do is live our lives in a manner that is truly Sikhi, and hope our children emulate this through choice. Shame is a result of pride, one who truly accepts Hukam can never feel shame, one can only do ones best in bringing children up, the rest is down to the child.</p><p></p><p>History tells us that even the Gurus, the perfection of humankind, bore children that brought them 'shame', what chance do ordinary mortals have to escape this?</p><p></p><p>page 61</p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮਹਲਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%A7" target="_blank">੧ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #008080">सिरीरागु महला १ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Sirīrāg mėhlā 1.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">Siree Raag, First Mehl:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਮਾਇਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਮੋਹਣੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਸੁਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%AA" target="_blank">ਬੰਧਪ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਘਰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਨਾਰਿ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #008080">त्रिसना माइआ मोहणी सुत बंधप घर नारि ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Ŧarisnā mā▫i▫ā mohṇī suṯ banḏẖap gẖar nār.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The enticing desire for Maya leads people to become emotionally attached to their children, relatives, households and spouses.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਧਨਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਜੋਬਨਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜਗੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਠਗਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਲਬਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਲੋਭਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #008080">धनि जोबनि जगु ठगिआ लबि लोभि अहंकारि ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Ḏẖan joban jag ṯẖagi▫ā lab lobẖ ahaʼnkār.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The world is deceived and plundered by riches, youth, greed and egotism.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਮੋਹ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਠਗਉਲੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਹਉ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਮੁਈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਸਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਵਰਤੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸੰਸਾਰਿ </a> ॥੧॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #008080">मोह ठगउली हउ मुई सा वरतै संसारि ॥१॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Moh ṯẖag▫ulī ha▫o mu▫ī sā varṯai sansār. ||1||</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The drug of emotional attachment has destroyed me, as it has destroyed the whole world. ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਮੇਰੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਮੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9D" target="_blank">ਤੁਝ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਿਨੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਅਵਰੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਕੋਇ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #008080">मेरे प्रीतमा मै तुझ बिनु अवरु न कोइ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Mere parīṯamā mai ṯujẖ bin avar na ko▫e.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">O my Beloved, I have no one except You.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>I think people should worry about themselves, and the relationship with Creator they have, before they start worrying about others, even children</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 170210, member: 14641"] I find Sikhism best practiced when it is not forced on people. You say that This is a contradiction, since when did Sikhism, which promotes love, acceptance, understanding, compassion, care about imposing ones will onto another? This shame you speak of, this is the shame that destroys families, turns parents into killers. I find this shame quite disgusting myself, what you are saying is that a man and wife can live completely by Sikh values, can be devoted to spreading love in the world, can be a friend and rock to all around, but if the kids do not follow the same, then they must live a life of shame, and so to avoid this, they should go against the teachings of the SGGS, and put weight instead on the opinions of society. The best we can do is live our lives in a manner that is truly Sikhi, and hope our children emulate this through choice. Shame is a result of pride, one who truly accepts Hukam can never feel shame, one can only do ones best in bringing children up, the rest is down to the child. History tells us that even the Gurus, the perfection of humankind, bore children that brought them 'shame', what chance do ordinary mortals have to escape this? page 61 [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81']ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE']ਮਹਲਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%A7']੧ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]सिरीरागु महला १ ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Sirīrāg mėhlā 1. [COLOR=#000080]Siree Raag, First Mehl: [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE']ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86']ਮਾਇਆ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%80']ਮੋਹਣੀ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A4']ਸੁਤ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%AA']ਬੰਧਪ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0']ਘਰ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਨਾਰਿ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]त्रिसना माइआ मोहणी सुत बंधप घर नारि ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Ŧarisnā mā▫i▫ā mohṇī suṯ banḏẖap gẖar nār. [COLOR=#000080]The enticing desire for Maya leads people to become emotionally attached to their children, relatives, households and spouses. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF']ਧਨਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF']ਜੋਬਨਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81']ਜਗੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਠਗਿਆ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF']ਲਬਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BF']ਲੋਭਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]धनि जोबनि जगु ठगिआ लबि लोभि अहंकारि ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Ḏẖan joban jag ṯẖagi▫ā lab lobẖ ahaʼnkār. [COLOR=#000080]The world is deceived and plundered by riches, youth, greed and egotism.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B9']ਮੋਹ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80']ਠਗਉਲੀ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%89']ਹਉ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%88']ਮੁਈ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE']ਸਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88']ਵਰਤੈ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਸੰਸਾਰਿ [/URL] ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]मोह ठगउली हउ मुई सा वरतै संसारि ॥१॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Moh ṯẖag▫ulī ha▫o mu▫ī sā varṯai sansār. ||1|| [COLOR=#000080]The drug of emotional attachment has destroyed me, as it has destroyed the whole world. ||1|| [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87']ਮੇਰੇ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE']ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88']ਮੈ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9D']ਤੁਝ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਬਿਨੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81']ਅਵਰੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8']ਨ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87']ਕੋਇ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]मेरे प्रीतमा मै तुझ बिनु अवरु न कोइ ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Mere parīṯamā mai ṯujẖ bin avar na ko▫e. [COLOR=#000080]O my Beloved, I have no one except You.[/COLOR][/FONT] I think people should worry about themselves, and the relationship with Creator they have, before they start worrying about others, even children [/QUOTE]
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