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<blockquote data-quote="Akashdeep Singh" data-source="post: 47673" data-attributes="member: 3640"><p>Arvind and others,</p><p></p><p>Sat Shri Akaal,</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would like to mentions a few points on <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong> and the related issues. I have seen a lot of people commenting on Inder Singh in a bad way on the blogs and forums without even knowing or reading his work. I request all fellow sikhs, please do not do so without first reading all his work. You,me and others do not stand a chance to judge <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong> as we are not so much educated to do so.</p><p></p><p>Let me start by mentioning that I strictly do not agree to the following points made by <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga ( but I agree with 100s and 100s of other points that he has made)</strong> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>Halal Meat</u>: I disagree with the point made that Guru Nanak Dev ji might have eaten halal meat during their visit to Mecca. Seems like Inder Singh Ghagga got a little far in his thinking here. Thankfully, Inder Singh Ji agreed to edit his words to change this.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>Guru Arjan Dev ji getting unconscious</u>: Again, I do not agree. In meditation, there is a stage when one loses the sense of time. Then comes the stage when one loses the sense of pain. When one loses the sense of pain, one simply cannot get unconscious by pain. I strongly believe our gurus had achieved higher states of self control.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>Naam Simran:</u> Again do not agree. But here it seems to be more of a confusion and communication gap. Inder Singh Ghagga seems to make a point that just naam simran and no act of gaining knowledge will not help Sikhism and I agree with his point. But I also agree to Bhai Kulbir Singh that naam simran helps to start gaining knowledge and its like a stepping stone. Also I do believe that getting up early in the morning and doing path helps. The reason is related to neuro-biology and how are body is made. Will discuss in detail if any body is interested.</li> </ol><p>Having said that and having disagreed on the above points with <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga,</strong> I do have a lot of respect for this person. Please do not call him names just because some so called giani <strong>Joginder Singh Vedanti</strong> thinks he is not a Sikh. Vedanti is not God, he cannot restrict the freedom of speech of any Sikh. Do you know that <strong>Joginder Singh Vedanti</strong> has done? He co-edited a text which says the following: -</p><p></p><p> 1. <span style="color: Red"><strong>portrays Guru Hargobind as the twenty-fourth reincarnation [avatar] of [the Hindu god] Vishnu</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Red"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Red"><strong></strong><span style="color: Black"> 2</span><strong>. asserts that the Darbar Sahib's four entrances represent not egalitarianism but 'the four arms of Chatarbhuji (a Hindu god).</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>..... do you agree with this nonsense?? I think <strong>Joginder Singh Vedanti</strong> should be excommunicated and not others.</p><p></p><p>Do you know why J<strong>oginder Singh Vedanti</strong> excommunicated <strong>Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana</strong>? Simple, to take revenge. <strong>Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana</strong> objected to the above written text and co-edited by Joginder Singh Vedanti and called Vedanti "paapi" so Vedanti simply excommunicated him. Do you think this is right? I have lived in Punjab and I am totally worried about what is happening there. These guys (<strong>Badal, Vedanti et all</strong>) have been in power from ages, then why is Punjabi lacking in education? Why is Punjab lacking in technological development? Why the females count is less as compared to male? Why there are dowry related deaths everyday? Why Punjab transportation is so bad? Why there is no IIT in Punjab? Where are the millions of dollars of public money gone that Badal sab was to spend on Anandpur? etc etc etc...have you all asked these questions to yourself and ever tried to find answers? ....please please do it. These people have eaten away the roots of Punjab and Sikhism and people like Inder Singh Ghagga and Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana are worried about it and they are risking their lives to save the legacy of Guru Nanak Dev ji. If you do not agree first read all the articles by Inder Singh Ghagga at <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/article-ghagga.html" target="_blank">www.sikhmarg.org</a></p><p></p><p>All articles are excellent, but yours truly highly recommends to start by reading: -</p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong>1<a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0625-gurbani-vigiyaanak-sach.html" target="_blank">. Gurbani Wich Vigyanik Sach (Scientific Truths in Gurbani)</a></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong>2. <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0205-kalar-khet01.html" target="_blank">Kallar Khet lai kood Jamaya (part-1)</a></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong>3. <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0212-kalar-khet02.html" target="_blank">Kallar Khet lia Kood Jamaya (part-2)</a></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong>4. <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0611-gurpurab-mubarak.html" target="_blank">Tuhanu Gurpurab Mubarak</a></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong>5. <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/sikh-1857.html" target="_blank">Kee Sikha ne 1857 wich gaddari keeti?</a></strong></span></p><p></p><p>(If anyone does not understand punjabi, I think he/she should first learn it and then comment on Inder Singh Ghagga. Because if we do not know to read/write Punjabi who are we to comment on Inder Singh Ghagga? If still someone is lazy to learn, I dont think you should devoid your brain from these great articles, ping me and I shall translate to English the selective ones you want... but this might take some time as I have a hectic schedule, every one of us have)</p><p></p><p>I think Inder Singh Ghagga has done great work in these articles (if you disagree read them all on <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/article-ghagga.html" target="_blank">POFESSOR INDER SINGH GHAGGA'S ARTICLES</a> and tell mere where you disagree with him) and I agree to all parts of these articles. We cannot punish him so hard just because he wrote a couple of points which seem to be wrong ( or may be he mistakenly used wrong words to discuss those points), what about 100s and 100s of other points on which he is very right. I feel ashamed of the kind of treatment Sikhs are giving him. <strong>Please read his work before commenting on him</strong>. You should use your own concious and thinking to make a decision no J<strong>oginder Singh Vedanti</strong> should direct you to do something. After all your gurus wanted us to reason and think, why are we being lead by idiots who do not understand Gurbani at all?. You are Sikh (Learner) for life, so learn my friend and learn to respect people who are visionaries. Please post your comments after you read atleast the atricles that I have recommended above. We all should back Inder Singh Gaggha (...also make him know that though we are with him we do not agree to some points he made). He certainly does not deserve the disrespect that is being shown against him. Listen to him, how frustrated and helpless this poor guy ( Inder Singh ji ) is feeling that not many of Guru Sikh seem to understand his points. If any one need more of the points that he has made please listen to his complete book at:-</p><p></p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong><a href="http://singhsabhacanada.com/audio.php?Topic=14" target="_blank">Book- Sada Beda Ayun Garkia </a></strong></span>(audio)</p><p>( ...here the writer has brought to light so many blasphemous act and writing that are existing against the teachings of our Guru's)</p><p><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><strong><a href="http://singhsabhacanada.com/video.php?Topic=15" target="_blank">Katha- in a gurudwara in Waterloo</a></strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>I sincerely hope that we Sikhs will raise our conscious to the level that a true Sikh should have. I encourage you to read and increase your knowledge and be a true Khalsa. Moreover, please help stop posting unreasonable stuff like "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh"... this is not right, if you hear the debate carefully? Kulbir Singh started by saying, " we are here to discuss, there is no winner or loser". The pathic site made a mistake by using "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh" title on their posting, they went against what Bhai Inder Singh said in the debate.</p><p></p><p>Sat Shri Akaal!</p><p></p><p><strong> "Ve Sikha, tu ke Sikha?"</strong></p><p>(Oh my learner! what have you learned?)</p><p></p><p>Your truly,</p><p>Akashdeep Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Akashdeep Singh, post: 47673, member: 3640"] Arvind and others, Sat Shri Akaal, I would like to mentions a few points on [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B] and the related issues. I have seen a lot of people commenting on Inder Singh in a bad way on the blogs and forums without even knowing or reading his work. I request all fellow sikhs, please do not do so without first reading all his work. You,me and others do not stand a chance to judge [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B] as we are not so much educated to do so. Let me start by mentioning that I strictly do not agree to the following points made by [B]Inder Singh Ghagga ( but I agree with 100s and 100s of other points that he has made)[/B][LIST=1] [*][U]Halal Meat[/U]: I disagree with the point made that Guru Nanak Dev ji might have eaten halal meat during their visit to Mecca. Seems like Inder Singh Ghagga got a little far in his thinking here. Thankfully, Inder Singh Ji agreed to edit his words to change this. [*][U]Guru Arjan Dev ji getting unconscious[/U]: Again, I do not agree. In meditation, there is a stage when one loses the sense of time. Then comes the stage when one loses the sense of pain. When one loses the sense of pain, one simply cannot get unconscious by pain. I strongly believe our gurus had achieved higher states of self control. [*][U]Naam Simran:[/U] Again do not agree. But here it seems to be more of a confusion and communication gap. Inder Singh Ghagga seems to make a point that just naam simran and no act of gaining knowledge will not help Sikhism and I agree with his point. But I also agree to Bhai Kulbir Singh that naam simran helps to start gaining knowledge and its like a stepping stone. Also I do believe that getting up early in the morning and doing path helps. The reason is related to neuro-biology and how are body is made. Will discuss in detail if any body is interested.[/LIST]Having said that and having disagreed on the above points with [B]Inder Singh Ghagga,[/B] I do have a lot of respect for this person. Please do not call him names just because some so called giani [B]Joginder Singh Vedanti[/B] thinks he is not a Sikh. Vedanti is not God, he cannot restrict the freedom of speech of any Sikh. Do you know that [B]Joginder Singh Vedanti[/B] has done? He co-edited a text which says the following: - 1. [COLOR=Red][B]portrays Guru Hargobind as the twenty-fourth reincarnation [avatar] of [the Hindu god] Vishnu [/B][COLOR=Black] 2[/COLOR][B]. asserts that the Darbar Sahib's four entrances represent not egalitarianism but 'the four arms of Chatarbhuji (a Hindu god).[/B][/COLOR] ..... do you agree with this nonsense?? I think [B]Joginder Singh Vedanti[/B] should be excommunicated and not others. Do you know why J[B]oginder Singh Vedanti[/B] excommunicated [B]Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana[/B]? Simple, to take revenge. [B]Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana[/B] objected to the above written text and co-edited by Joginder Singh Vedanti and called Vedanti "paapi" so Vedanti simply excommunicated him. Do you think this is right? I have lived in Punjab and I am totally worried about what is happening there. These guys ([B]Badal, Vedanti et all[/B]) have been in power from ages, then why is Punjabi lacking in education? Why is Punjab lacking in technological development? Why the females count is less as compared to male? Why there are dowry related deaths everyday? Why Punjab transportation is so bad? Why there is no IIT in Punjab? Where are the millions of dollars of public money gone that Badal sab was to spend on Anandpur? etc etc etc...have you all asked these questions to yourself and ever tried to find answers? ....please please do it. These people have eaten away the roots of Punjab and Sikhism and people like Inder Singh Ghagga and Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana are worried about it and they are risking their lives to save the legacy of Guru Nanak Dev ji. If you do not agree first read all the articles by Inder Singh Ghagga at [URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/article-ghagga.html"]www.sikhmarg.org[/URL] All articles are excellent, but yours truly highly recommends to start by reading: - [COLOR=RoyalBlue][B] 1[URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0625-gurbani-vigiyaanak-sach.html"]. Gurbani Wich Vigyanik Sach (Scientific Truths in Gurbani)[/URL] 2. [URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0205-kalar-khet01.html"]Kallar Khet lai kood Jamaya (part-1)[/URL] 3. [URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0212-kalar-khet02.html"]Kallar Khet lia Kood Jamaya (part-2)[/URL] 4. [URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0611-gurpurab-mubarak.html"]Tuhanu Gurpurab Mubarak[/URL] 5. [URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/sikh-1857.html"]Kee Sikha ne 1857 wich gaddari keeti?[/URL][/B][/COLOR] (If anyone does not understand punjabi, I think he/she should first learn it and then comment on Inder Singh Ghagga. Because if we do not know to read/write Punjabi who are we to comment on Inder Singh Ghagga? If still someone is lazy to learn, I dont think you should devoid your brain from these great articles, ping me and I shall translate to English the selective ones you want... but this might take some time as I have a hectic schedule, every one of us have) I think Inder Singh Ghagga has done great work in these articles (if you disagree read them all on [URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/article-ghagga.html"]POFESSOR INDER SINGH GHAGGA'S ARTICLES[/URL] and tell mere where you disagree with him) and I agree to all parts of these articles. We cannot punish him so hard just because he wrote a couple of points which seem to be wrong ( or may be he mistakenly used wrong words to discuss those points), what about 100s and 100s of other points on which he is very right. I feel ashamed of the kind of treatment Sikhs are giving him. [B]Please read his work before commenting on him[/B]. You should use your own concious and thinking to make a decision no J[B]oginder Singh Vedanti[/B] should direct you to do something. After all your gurus wanted us to reason and think, why are we being lead by idiots who do not understand Gurbani at all?. You are Sikh (Learner) for life, so learn my friend and learn to respect people who are visionaries. Please post your comments after you read atleast the atricles that I have recommended above. We all should back Inder Singh Gaggha (...also make him know that though we are with him we do not agree to some points he made). He certainly does not deserve the disrespect that is being shown against him. Listen to him, how frustrated and helpless this poor guy ( Inder Singh ji ) is feeling that not many of Guru Sikh seem to understand his points. If any one need more of the points that he has made please listen to his complete book at:- [COLOR=RoyalBlue][B][URL="http://singhsabhacanada.com/audio.php?Topic=14"]Book- Sada Beda Ayun Garkia [/URL][/B][/COLOR](audio) ( ...here the writer has brought to light so many blasphemous act and writing that are existing against the teachings of our Guru's) [COLOR=RoyalBlue][B][URL="http://singhsabhacanada.com/video.php?Topic=15"]Katha- in a gurudwara in Waterloo[/URL][/B][/COLOR] I sincerely hope that we Sikhs will raise our conscious to the level that a true Sikh should have. I encourage you to read and increase your knowledge and be a true Khalsa. Moreover, please help stop posting unreasonable stuff like "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh"... this is not right, if you hear the debate carefully? Kulbir Singh started by saying, " we are here to discuss, there is no winner or loser". The pathic site made a mistake by using "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh" title on their posting, they went against what Bhai Inder Singh said in the debate. Sat Shri Akaal! [B] "Ve Sikha, tu ke Sikha?"[/B] (Oh my learner! what have you learned?) Your truly, Akashdeep Singh [/QUOTE]
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