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<blockquote data-quote="Nim_23" data-source="post: 25444" data-attributes="member: 2757"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Recently i have come to realise that many sikh girls like myself face too many personal battles.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I believe i have been bought up in quite a tradtional family. Tradtional being the operative word. I am talking generally now, but so many of the third generation have no clue about Sikhism. </span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">VERY TRUE, I AS A GIRL AGREE WITH YOU. I COME FROM A TRADITIONAL FAMILY TOO. OUR THIRD GENERATION IS IGNORANT ABOUT THEIR RELIGION UNLIKE THOSE FROM OTHER RELIGIONS SUCH AS MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS.</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have many muslim and hindu friends, and they have been taught about their religion by their parents. In any predicament or situation, my muslim friends know what is right and wrong. This is not simply what their parent have told them is right and wrong but because they know from a religious standpoint. </span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">MY PARENTS THOUGHT ME, I LEARNT IN SCHOOL AND WENT INTO PERSONAL LEARNING OF MY RELIGION RECENTLY TO FIND OUT MORE. I DISCOVERED THAT SOMETIMES OUR PARENTS/FRIENDS/TEACHERS/ETC ETC ARE NOT TOO CORRECT ABOUT WHAT THEY TEACH US. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">FOR E.G UNTIL TODAY IN INDIA AND SINGAPORE ‘JATH PATH – CASTE SYSTEM’ ARE LOOKED AT WHEN A SIKH GIRL/BOY IS TO GET MARRIED. MOST PEOPLE RECEIVED THIS KNOWLEDGE FROM THEIR PARENTS AND HAVE PASSED IT DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION WHICH CONSISTS OF US TOO. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">IF WE ARE IGNORANT AND DO NOT READ ABOUT OUR HISTORY/RELIGION WE TOO WILL BE IN THE SAME MISCONCEPTION FOR LIFE. TRUTH IS GURU NANAK HAS SAID THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SUCH CASTE SYSTEM. HE DISAGREED WITH THE CASTE SYSTEM. HE WANTED A CASTE RIDDEN SOCIETY.</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE SIKH SOCIETY. THOSE WHO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF SIKHISM MAY NOT BE KNOWING THE EXACTLY RIGHT THING AND THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO FIND OUT MORE. THERE ARE EVEN SOME WHO ARE SO KNOWLEDGEABLE BUT YET BECOME FANATICS AND BECOME A PAIN TO OTHERS INSTEAD OF A TEACHER.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Take for example the case of alcohol. Muslims know that they should not drink, it is wrong in their religion. Wheras myself and many of my Sikh friends and family are simply told girls don't drink. But our brothers and fathers go out drinking and come back drunk. What does this show us. </span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In Sikh families tradtion meanS that girls have so many more pressures than boys. Take again for example drinking alcohol, boys will go out with their friends and have a good time.If girls do the same thing they are more likely to be ridden with guilt. The words of their parents will echoin their heads. But shouldn't it be the words of Sikhism, that drinking is wrong. Many of hindu friends are know that they shouldn't drink, this is because their parents have taught them it is wrong and have led by example. Some of my hindu frinds do drink, but in each case their parents are aware, and they are encouraged to move away from the habit. Muslim girls are aware that their religion teaches not to drink and they don't. </span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">MY DEAR INFACT IN EVERY RELIGION THERE ARE BLACK SHEEPS. THERE ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE AWARE OF SUCH THINGS BUT STILL DO JUST LIKE OUR SIKHS. RELIGION IS A BEAUTIFUL THING BUT NOT ALL PEOPLE SEE IT IN THAT WAY, SAD TO SAY.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">PEOPLE CAN BE ADVISED AGAINST HARMING THEIR HEALTH BU CONSUMING ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT’S THEIR DECISION. MY DEAR YOU CAN PUT WATER IN FRONT OF A HORSE MOUTH BUT YOU CAN’T FORCE IT TO DRINK THE WATER.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Think about sikh weddings, it is a religious ceremony. But straight after everybody heads off to the party where there is alcohol galore. So what does that teach us? I simply do not get it. Isn't alcohol against sikhism..why have it on a wedding... a religious union? I understand why Christains have alchocol at weddings.. because it isn't againt Christianity. Mulisms don't need alcohol to celebrate.... so many Sikh men just drink, and show themselves up. </span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I STRONGLY AGREE WITH YOU AND I FEEL VERY EMBARRASS ABOUT IT. INFACT IN SINGAPORE THEY EVEN HAVE A 5 FLOOR CLUB ‘SINGAPORE KHALSA ASSOCIATION’ WHERE TRADITIONAL SIKH WEDDINGS ARE HELD AND SO ARE PARTIES. MOST PEOPLE HOLD THEIR TRADITIONAL SIKH WEDDING SO THAT THEY CAN OFFER NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD ON THE GROUND FLOOR.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">IMAGINE A SAME HALL THAT IS BEING USED AS A DARBAR SAHIB – TO HOLD A TRADITIONAL SIKH WEDDING CEREMONY IN THE MORNING IS BEING USED AS A PARTY HALL IN THE EVENING WITH MEAT AND ALCOHOL. WHERE IS THE LOGIC AND THE RESPECT FOR OUR GURU GRANTH SAHIB???</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB IS NOT LEFT IN THIS HALL OVERNIGHT BUT IS ONLY BROUGHT IN WHEN A SIKH TRADITIONAL WEDDING IS TO TAKE PLACE IN THE MORNING FROM A GURDWARA BUT I STILL FEEL IT IS NOT RIGHT.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">THERE ARE EVEN SIKH WEDDINGS WHERE RIGHT AFTER THE LUNCH THE GROOM SIDE GO TO THE LOUNGE WHICH IS ALSO IN THE SAME CLUB BUT ON A DIFFERENT FLOOR OF THE BUILDING TO HAVE BOOZE AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE ‘SAGAN CEREMONY’.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ALSO THERE ARE SIKH WEDDINGS THAT ARE HELD IN GURDWARAS WHERE RIGHT AFTER THE LUNCH THE GROOM SIDE GO TO SOME LOUNGE AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE ‘SAGAN’ CEREMONY TO THE GURDWARA. ONCE AGAIN WHERE IS THE RESPECT TO OUR RELIGION WHICH SAYS THAT MEAT AND ALCOHOL IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE GURDWARA? IS IT RIGHT TO DRINK AND ENTER THE GURDWARA?</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">How many Sikh children know what the five K's mean?? I bet less than half the UK population of Sikh Children are aware. How many children know what Vaishaki means? To many it means a fun trip to the mela, and a fun walk with free food. Yes but ask muslim childen about ramadan or why they are fasting and they will tell you. </span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Many of the Sikhs of my generation are louts. They like the glory of their religion. You will see so many young people supporting khanda but not because they are proud of their relgion but because they look cool!!! </span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">EXACTLY!!!</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The gurdwara is another thing that grates me. How many young people actually listen. There are mobiles going off, children running around, old ladies bantering and gossiping. Pleas for money. Its like a playground. You don't get that in a mosque or church. People know what they are there for. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">MOST OF OUR YOUNGSTERS COME TO ‘CHECK OUT’ EACH OTHER…IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN….WOMEN ARE FOREVER GOSSIPING ABOUT OTHER’S FAMILY, COMMENTING ON OTHER’S SUITS ETC ETC</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I mean why do we have to place money and then bow down when we go to the gurdwara? I don't undertstand. It is a silly concept with no meaning (money not bowing). When we go to the gurdwara to pray, that is what should matter. There is no place for a money box in the gurdwara... i resent bowing infront of it. What is the significace?? People should make a contribution elsewhere. </span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ONE THING IS PERHAPS THAT’S THE BEST WAY WE CAN GET A DONATION FROM OUR SIKH COMMITTEE… THEY CAN SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS PURCHASING BOLLYWOOD VCDS, ALCOHOL, CIGARETTES, CLOTHES, NEW SUITS ETC ETC BUT THEY FIND IT DIFFICULT TO DONATE TO GURDWARAS. IF NO ONE DONATES THAN WE WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY MANAGING TOO.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">SO I REALLY CAN’T COMMENT ON THIS PART.</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Also in Sikhism thier should be no idols. But why are there so many picturs, and statues? How do we know what Guru Nanak Dev Ji looked like or any of the other gurus. Why do we have picturs of them in the gurdwara? Isn't it against the teachings???? </span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">IN THE OLDEN DAYS PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEENS OUR GURUS COULD HAVE DRAWN POTRAITS OF THEM AND PERHAPS THAT’S HOW IT WAS FIGURED OUT HOW OUR GURUS LOOK.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HAVING PICTURES OR STATUES OF THEM IS NOT AGAINST OUR RELIGION. PRAYING TO STATUES AND POTRAITS IS AGAINST SIKHISM. THESE PICTURES AND POTRAITS ARE A REMINDER TO SIKH OF THE SACRIFICES OUR GURUS HAVE MADE FOR US SIKHS.</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">On many occassions Sikh parents let thier sons cut their hair.... but their daughters are expected to keep it long. At a young age, i thought that the only rason girls didn't cut thier hair was becasue it would make them look like ummm 'bad girls!' We wern't actually told that Sikhs aren't supposed to tamper with thier bodies. Even if we were told this i guess we still would have been confused because we would question why does my father or brother have short hair?!!! </span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sikhs in this country are confused. I forsee many of my generation moving away from a this religion because we just don't get it!!</span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">IT IS TRUE THAT EVERYTHING STARTS FROM OUR FAMILY. IF OUR FAMILY IS NOT FOLLOWING OUR RELIGION WE CHILDREN HAVE DOUBTS TOO. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">BUT IF WE CAN DO A SOUL-SEARCH FOR OURSELVES WE WILL FIND THE RIGHT PATH. GURU NANAK’S PARENTS WERE NOT THE ONE WHO FOUND HIM HIS PATH, IT WAS HIS OWN INTEREST AND LOVE FOR GOD THAT BROUGHT HIM FURTHER.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">WE WILL THEN SEE THE LIGHT AND PERHAPS WHEN WE SEE THIS LIGHT WE MAY BE ABLE TO LET THE RAYS OF IT FALL ON OUR FAMILY/THOSE CLOSE TO US WHO MAY THEN REALISE THEIR DOINGS AS WELL.</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ANOTHER THING IS THAT, I WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF OUR ‘MODERN SIKHS’ IF DESPITE BEING MODERN THEY KNEW THEIR RELIGION AND STOOD BY IT BUT OT SEEMS OTHERWISE. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">SO FAR I HAVE ONLY HEARD OF ONE SUCH YOUNG BOY WHO DOES NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, HE IS A MODERN SIKH BUT HE PRAYS AND BELIEVES IN HIS RELIGION, SIKHISM. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">HE HAS STUDIED SIKHISM AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE GURDWARA IN VARIOUS WAYS. HE IS SAID TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY ANY DOUBTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN SIKHISM. </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">HE IS FROM SINGAPORE AND I HAVE YET TO MEET HIM. HIS NAME IS AMANDEEP SINGH.</span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nim_23, post: 25444, member: 2757"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Recently i have come to realise that many sikh girls like myself face too many personal battles. I believe i have been bought up in quite a tradtional family. Tradtional being the operative word. I am talking generally now, but so many of the third generation have no clue about Sikhism. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]VERY TRUE, I AS A GIRL AGREE WITH YOU. I COME FROM A TRADITIONAL FAMILY TOO. OUR THIRD GENERATION IS IGNORANT ABOUT THEIR RELIGION UNLIKE THOSE FROM OTHER RELIGIONS SUCH AS MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] I have many muslim and hindu friends, and they have been taught about their religion by their parents. In any predicament or situation, my muslim friends know what is right and wrong. This is not simply what their parent have told them is right and wrong but because they know from a religious standpoint. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]MY PARENTS THOUGHT ME, I LEARNT IN SCHOOL AND WENT INTO PERSONAL LEARNING OF MY RELIGION RECENTLY TO FIND OUT MORE. I DISCOVERED THAT SOMETIMES OUR PARENTS/FRIENDS/TEACHERS/ETC ETC ARE NOT TOO CORRECT ABOUT WHAT THEY TEACH US. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]FOR E.G UNTIL TODAY IN INDIA AND SINGAPORE ‘JATH PATH – CASTE SYSTEM’ ARE LOOKED AT WHEN A SIKH GIRL/BOY IS TO GET MARRIED. MOST PEOPLE RECEIVED THIS KNOWLEDGE FROM THEIR PARENTS AND HAVE PASSED IT DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION WHICH CONSISTS OF US TOO. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]IF WE ARE IGNORANT AND DO NOT READ ABOUT OUR HISTORY/RELIGION WE TOO WILL BE IN THE SAME MISCONCEPTION FOR LIFE. TRUTH IS GURU NANAK HAS SAID THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SUCH CASTE SYSTEM. HE DISAGREED WITH THE CASTE SYSTEM. HE WANTED A CASTE RIDDEN SOCIETY.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE SIKH SOCIETY. THOSE WHO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF SIKHISM MAY NOT BE KNOWING THE EXACTLY RIGHT THING AND THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO FIND OUT MORE. THERE ARE EVEN SOME WHO ARE SO KNOWLEDGEABLE BUT YET BECOME FANATICS AND BECOME A PAIN TO OTHERS INSTEAD OF A TEACHER.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Take for example the case of alcohol. Muslims know that they should not drink, it is wrong in their religion. Wheras myself and many of my Sikh friends and family are simply told girls don't drink. But our brothers and fathers go out drinking and come back drunk. What does this show us. In Sikh families tradtion meanS that girls have so many more pressures than boys. Take again for example drinking alcohol, boys will go out with their friends and have a good time.If girls do the same thing they are more likely to be ridden with guilt. The words of their parents will echoin their heads. But shouldn't it be the words of Sikhism, that drinking is wrong. Many of hindu friends are know that they shouldn't drink, this is because their parents have taught them it is wrong and have led by example. Some of my hindu frinds do drink, but in each case their parents are aware, and they are encouraged to move away from the habit. Muslim girls are aware that their religion teaches not to drink and they don't. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]MY DEAR INFACT IN EVERY RELIGION THERE ARE BLACK SHEEPS. THERE ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE AWARE OF SUCH THINGS BUT STILL DO JUST LIKE OUR SIKHS. RELIGION IS A BEAUTIFUL THING BUT NOT ALL PEOPLE SEE IT IN THAT WAY, SAD TO SAY.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]PEOPLE CAN BE ADVISED AGAINST HARMING THEIR HEALTH BU CONSUMING ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT’S THEIR DECISION. MY DEAR YOU CAN PUT WATER IN FRONT OF A HORSE MOUTH BUT YOU CAN’T FORCE IT TO DRINK THE WATER.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Think about sikh weddings, it is a religious ceremony. But straight after everybody heads off to the party where there is alcohol galore. So what does that teach us? I simply do not get it. Isn't alcohol against sikhism..why have it on a wedding... a religious union? I understand why Christains have alchocol at weddings.. because it isn't againt Christianity. Mulisms don't need alcohol to celebrate.... so many Sikh men just drink, and show themselves up. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I STRONGLY AGREE WITH YOU AND I FEEL VERY EMBARRASS ABOUT IT. INFACT IN SINGAPORE THEY EVEN HAVE A 5 FLOOR CLUB ‘SINGAPORE KHALSA ASSOCIATION’ WHERE TRADITIONAL SIKH WEDDINGS ARE HELD AND SO ARE PARTIES. MOST PEOPLE HOLD THEIR TRADITIONAL SIKH WEDDING SO THAT THEY CAN OFFER NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD ON THE GROUND FLOOR.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]IMAGINE A SAME HALL THAT IS BEING USED AS A DARBAR SAHIB – TO HOLD A TRADITIONAL SIKH WEDDING CEREMONY IN THE MORNING IS BEING USED AS A PARTY HALL IN THE EVENING WITH MEAT AND ALCOHOL. WHERE IS THE LOGIC AND THE RESPECT FOR OUR GURU GRANTH SAHIB???[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB IS NOT LEFT IN THIS HALL OVERNIGHT BUT IS ONLY BROUGHT IN WHEN A SIKH TRADITIONAL WEDDING IS TO TAKE PLACE IN THE MORNING FROM A GURDWARA BUT I STILL FEEL IT IS NOT RIGHT.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]THERE ARE EVEN SIKH WEDDINGS WHERE RIGHT AFTER THE LUNCH THE GROOM SIDE GO TO THE LOUNGE WHICH IS ALSO IN THE SAME CLUB BUT ON A DIFFERENT FLOOR OF THE BUILDING TO HAVE BOOZE AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE ‘SAGAN CEREMONY’.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ALSO THERE ARE SIKH WEDDINGS THAT ARE HELD IN GURDWARAS WHERE RIGHT AFTER THE LUNCH THE GROOM SIDE GO TO SOME LOUNGE AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE ‘SAGAN’ CEREMONY TO THE GURDWARA. ONCE AGAIN WHERE IS THE RESPECT TO OUR RELIGION WHICH SAYS THAT MEAT AND ALCOHOL IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE GURDWARA? IS IT RIGHT TO DRINK AND ENTER THE GURDWARA?[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] How many Sikh children know what the five K's mean?? I bet less than half the UK population of Sikh Children are aware. How many children know what Vaishaki means? To many it means a fun trip to the mela, and a fun walk with free food. Yes but ask muslim childen about ramadan or why they are fasting and they will tell you. Many of the Sikhs of my generation are louts. They like the glory of their religion. You will see so many young people supporting khanda but not because they are proud of their relgion but because they look cool!!! [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]EXACTLY!!![/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] The gurdwara is another thing that grates me. How many young people actually listen. There are mobiles going off, children running around, old ladies bantering and gossiping. Pleas for money. Its like a playground. You don't get that in a mosque or church. People know what they are there for. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]MOST OF OUR YOUNGSTERS COME TO ‘CHECK OUT’ EACH OTHER…IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN….WOMEN ARE FOREVER GOSSIPING ABOUT OTHER’S FAMILY, COMMENTING ON OTHER’S SUITS ETC ETC I mean why do we have to place money and then bow down when we go to the gurdwara? I don't undertstand. It is a silly concept with no meaning (money not bowing). When we go to the gurdwara to pray, that is what should matter. There is no place for a money box in the gurdwara... i resent bowing infront of it. What is the significace?? People should make a contribution elsewhere. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ONE THING IS PERHAPS THAT’S THE BEST WAY WE CAN GET A DONATION FROM OUR SIKH COMMITTEE… THEY CAN SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS PURCHASING BOLLYWOOD VCDS, ALCOHOL, CIGARETTES, CLOTHES, NEW SUITS ETC ETC BUT THEY FIND IT DIFFICULT TO DONATE TO GURDWARAS. IF NO ONE DONATES THAN WE WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY MANAGING TOO.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]SO I REALLY CAN’T COMMENT ON THIS PART.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] Also in Sikhism thier should be no idols. But why are there so many picturs, and statues? How do we know what Guru Nanak Dev Ji looked like or any of the other gurus. Why do we have picturs of them in the gurdwara? Isn't it against the teachings???? [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]IN THE OLDEN DAYS PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEENS OUR GURUS COULD HAVE DRAWN POTRAITS OF THEM AND PERHAPS THAT’S HOW IT WAS FIGURED OUT HOW OUR GURUS LOOK.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]HAVING PICTURES OR STATUES OF THEM IS NOT AGAINST OUR RELIGION. PRAYING TO STATUES AND POTRAITS IS AGAINST SIKHISM. THESE PICTURES AND POTRAITS ARE A REMINDER TO SIKH OF THE SACRIFICES OUR GURUS HAVE MADE FOR US SIKHS.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] On many occassions Sikh parents let thier sons cut their hair.... but their daughters are expected to keep it long. At a young age, i thought that the only rason girls didn't cut thier hair was becasue it would make them look like ummm 'bad girls!' We wern't actually told that Sikhs aren't supposed to tamper with thier bodies. Even if we were told this i guess we still would have been confused because we would question why does my father or brother have short hair?!!! Sikhs in this country are confused. I forsee many of my generation moving away from a this religion because we just don't get it!![/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]IT IS TRUE THAT EVERYTHING STARTS FROM OUR FAMILY. IF OUR FAMILY IS NOT FOLLOWING OUR RELIGION WE CHILDREN HAVE DOUBTS TOO. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]BUT IF WE CAN DO A SOUL-SEARCH FOR OURSELVES WE WILL FIND THE RIGHT PATH. GURU NANAK’S PARENTS WERE NOT THE ONE WHO FOUND HIM HIS PATH, IT WAS HIS OWN INTEREST AND LOVE FOR GOD THAT BROUGHT HIM FURTHER.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]WE WILL THEN SEE THE LIGHT AND PERHAPS WHEN WE SEE THIS LIGHT WE MAY BE ABLE TO LET THE RAYS OF IT FALL ON OUR FAMILY/THOSE CLOSE TO US WHO MAY THEN REALISE THEIR DOINGS AS WELL.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]ANOTHER THING IS THAT, I WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF OUR ‘MODERN SIKHS’ IF DESPITE BEING MODERN THEY KNEW THEIR RELIGION AND STOOD BY IT BUT OT SEEMS OTHERWISE. [/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]SO FAR I HAVE ONLY HEARD OF ONE SUCH YOUNG BOY WHO DOES NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, HE IS A MODERN SIKH BUT HE PRAYS AND BELIEVES IN HIS RELIGION, SIKHISM. [/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]HE HAS STUDIED SIKHISM AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE GURDWARA IN VARIOUS WAYS. HE IS SAID TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY ANY DOUBTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN SIKHISM. [/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]HE IS FROM SINGAPORE AND I HAVE YET TO MEET HIM. HIS NAME IS AMANDEEP SINGH.[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [/QUOTE]
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