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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="ballym" data-source="post: 125768" data-attributes="member: 2772"><p>LOOK WITHIN.</p><p> Solution to any problem/ dilemma/trouble lies within you.</p><p>Ideally I would stop writing beyond this but words coming from Mai Ji were a little surprising.</p><p> </p><p>1. Eye for an eye is not a solution.</p><p>2. Accepting others as your rulers is not the alternative either.... so what should we do?</p><p>3. Solution can not be found in switch on/off way. Either this or that.No. Solution options need not be that restrictive. </p><p>We may approach a solution in subtle/ gradual manner. khalistan is fine. It is good. </p><p><strong>But how many agree to that?</strong> You need quantity here too.</p><p>For making it a reality.... once we lost chance in 1947 (or may be the offer was not clear and without conditions)...... First thing is to convince its future population about its need and benefits to them.</p><p>It is a tough task. Infact, toughest task. If we have people supporting the cause we have won half the battle or almost three quarter!</p><p>Continuous support of masses is the pillar of any successful bid.</p><p>4. Popular support can not be gained by force in today's world.People must be convinced about it. Best way is to link to to their wellbeing. Better wealth, better health, better future. these points must be emphasized.</p><p>5. Merely saying that we just need <strong><u>quality and not quantity</u></strong> is not going to work. <strong>Infact it is SELFISH way of looking at the things</strong>. Why do not you worry about people who are not following the religion fully to YOUR satisfaction?( Not directed to Mai.... general remark to puritans)</p><p>I remember Sushma Swaraj stated that India can not take care of people who leave India by illegal means and die during transit or face hardships in other countries. One must be helping people who have faltered. DO not abandon them.</p><p>6. Mai ji may be anguished because of her more than first hand experiences. May be I would have written what she has if I had similar "experiences".</p><p>So Khalistan by these crude methods can not be achieved. It is going to harm the cause, like Jarnail singh bhindranwale did.</p><p>Are we any better than 1978 at present? No. Much worse, I guess. Respect , even if false, is gone. No money for Punjab. </p><p>Loosing big picture view is a common mistake we do in many cases. </p><p>7. 1984 was bad. But we can not bring that argument in Canada.</p><p>8. Langar on tables: Initially it looks blasphemous. But I can see logic now after<em> I read a comment on dagger incident</em> . A Canadian wrote that " these primitive people eating from floor must not be a part of Canada". Do not go after its intesity but understand what "whites" think of us. Many may be not that extreme but undercurrent is going to be negative. OK, we should not change according to others' wishes. But It is just a modification. our idea is to have <strong>equality for all</strong>. It does not say "floor for all".</p><p>9. Why should we have nagar kirtan showing gatka more prominently. To outsiders, it shows that what we care about is holy book, kirtan, forcing school kids to put up an apology of band, use weapons and provide food alongside. these are main activities( I may have missed some). Where are our folk songs? Phulkari,small scale enterpreneurship,friendliness? </p><p>10. FLOATS should be on these topics and not only khalistan which just gets them some more donations.</p><p>11. Idea about <strong>1984 pictures</strong> is good if other people see it. A silent propaganda is more effective. Let us make one for next Nagar Kirtan. Let us do it ourselves and <strong>give a proposal to deciding authrities</strong>. I am sure nobody can say no to it. It may not be gruesome... but a distraught mother( there are so many). these kind of things will get you SOLID SUPPORT I talked about above.</p><p>12. Somehow remove lust of money. I have seen families in Toronto who give so much donations but such people are not many. I am not one of them because I do not have enough yet. Hope to get a good job that pays me more than current. if I am living at present then excess amout I get can be divided... right idea? But most people find new expenses to account for increased disposable income.</p><p>13. About this targetting thing, I also feel that some vested interest may be involved in maligning sikhs but who stops us from keeping ourselves clean? Do not fall in the trap? </p><p>LOOK WITHIN......</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ballym, post: 125768, member: 2772"] LOOK WITHIN. Solution to any problem/ dilemma/trouble lies within you. Ideally I would stop writing beyond this but words coming from Mai Ji were a little surprising. 1. Eye for an eye is not a solution. 2. Accepting others as your rulers is not the alternative either.... so what should we do? 3. Solution can not be found in switch on/off way. Either this or that.No. Solution options need not be that restrictive. We may approach a solution in subtle/ gradual manner. khalistan is fine. It is good. [B]But how many agree to that?[/B] You need quantity here too. For making it a reality.... once we lost chance in 1947 (or may be the offer was not clear and without conditions)...... First thing is to convince its future population about its need and benefits to them. It is a tough task. Infact, toughest task. If we have people supporting the cause we have won half the battle or almost three quarter! Continuous support of masses is the pillar of any successful bid. 4. Popular support can not be gained by force in today's world.People must be convinced about it. Best way is to link to to their wellbeing. Better wealth, better health, better future. these points must be emphasized. 5. Merely saying that we just need [B][U]quality and not quantity[/U][/B] is not going to work. [B]Infact it is SELFISH way of looking at the things[/B]. Why do not you worry about people who are not following the religion fully to YOUR satisfaction?( Not directed to Mai.... general remark to puritans) I remember Sushma Swaraj stated that India can not take care of people who leave India by illegal means and die during transit or face hardships in other countries. One must be helping people who have faltered. DO not abandon them. 6. Mai ji may be anguished because of her more than first hand experiences. May be I would have written what she has if I had similar "experiences". So Khalistan by these crude methods can not be achieved. It is going to harm the cause, like Jarnail singh bhindranwale did. Are we any better than 1978 at present? No. Much worse, I guess. Respect , even if false, is gone. No money for Punjab. Loosing big picture view is a common mistake we do in many cases. 7. 1984 was bad. But we can not bring that argument in Canada. 8. Langar on tables: Initially it looks blasphemous. But I can see logic now after[I] I read a comment on dagger incident[/I] . A Canadian wrote that " these primitive people eating from floor must not be a part of Canada". Do not go after its intesity but understand what "whites" think of us. Many may be not that extreme but undercurrent is going to be negative. OK, we should not change according to others' wishes. But It is just a modification. our idea is to have [B]equality for all[/B]. It does not say "floor for all". 9. Why should we have nagar kirtan showing gatka more prominently. To outsiders, it shows that what we care about is holy book, kirtan, forcing school kids to put up an apology of band, use weapons and provide food alongside. these are main activities( I may have missed some). Where are our folk songs? Phulkari,small scale enterpreneurship,friendliness? 10. FLOATS should be on these topics and not only khalistan which just gets them some more donations. 11. Idea about [B]1984 pictures[/B] is good if other people see it. A silent propaganda is more effective. Let us make one for next Nagar Kirtan. Let us do it ourselves and [B]give a proposal to deciding authrities[/B]. I am sure nobody can say no to it. It may not be gruesome... but a distraught mother( there are so many). these kind of things will get you SOLID SUPPORT I talked about above. 12. Somehow remove lust of money. I have seen families in Toronto who give so much donations but such people are not many. I am not one of them because I do not have enough yet. Hope to get a good job that pays me more than current. if I am living at present then excess amout I get can be divided... right idea? But most people find new expenses to account for increased disposable income. 13. About this targetting thing, I also feel that some vested interest may be involved in maligning sikhs but who stops us from keeping ourselves clean? Do not fall in the trap? LOOK WITHIN...... [/QUOTE]
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