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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 148141" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>As someone who used to regularly put away a bottle of scotch a night, I feel I can speak with some authority on the dangers of drinking to excess. At the age of 26 my doctor informed me my liver was in the same condition as the liver of a man aged 80. Age gives way to maturity, I drink occasionally now, and my wife does not drink at all. </p><p></p><p>You drink because the alcohol gives you a high, takes away inhibitions and it makes it easier to have a good time. I am no saint, I love a good bottle of wine with a meal or a beer with a curry, although strangely my mothers cooking I only eat with coca cola. However, I believe the gurus forbade the use of alcohol as it inhibits the search for the creator. Although I am not blessed enough yet, I would imagine being as one with the creator as better than the best champagne and the purest drugs. Although this does beg the question would being addicted to feelings of closeness to the creator be wrong?</p><p></p><p>To the question of alcohol being served at social functions on premises owned by a gurdwara, well, quite simply, it is all in the wording. Rebrand the premises as community hall, rebrand Guru Ka Langar as 'refreshments' and I think that is the best you can do. I think if alcohol is going to be served at a wedding or an engagement, avoid the use of the words 'guru ka langar', this would help everyone, as if people saw 'refreshment' they would know beforehand this probably means booze, and 'guru ka langar' means possibly meat but no booze.</p><p></p><p>I take a liberal view on this, purely because if people are going to be 'human' at least get the rules correct. </p><p></p><p>Gyaniji is as always quite correct as to what the Gurus demanded of us to be good sikhs, however, I would prefer a room full of happy dancing squiffy sikhs who were on the right track to gurmukhi, than a room full of physically perfect sikhs wishing they were somewhere else. </p><p></p><p>I come from a khatri background, and ours are one of the worst culprits for appearances. Sikhism represents nothing more than a social club where ego and pride are highly lauded to some of these people. Sikhism for these is all about ceremony, tradition, rituals, again I push forward the point by taking dear sinnerji as a excellent example. From what I have read , Sinnerji is quite intelligent regarding philosophy and spirituality, he is on the road to find himself, and then ultimately the creator, and he clearly likes a drink and a dance. I could quite happily talk to him for hours about the search for the truth, whereas there are plenty of people who do not drink and are not mona who have absolutely no idea what sikhism represents or how powerful it can be as an aide to living. </p><p></p><p>I read in detail the sikh code of conduct the other day, just to see how far short I fall. I fall pretty short. But I also observed enough in the code that all of us probably fall short. Which of the codes are more forgivable, which will deflect us from the path of the guru?. Under the code I cannot socialise with smokers, a woman cannot have pierced ears. To take this to the extreme, drinkers who go to Gurdwara, should they have a time limit by which the alcohol should have left the system before they are allowed to enter, should women with pierced ears not put rings in them before entering?</p><p></p><p>Both the non drinking of alcohol and the piercing of ears are against the code, which one is worse, is the sight of a woman with pierced ears or a mona holding a sign proclaiming 'alcohol is beadbi' a contradiction?</p><p></p><p>I have decided to go to India with my wife in November to stay with my parents. As a gesture I will grow my hair out and wear a pugh, my dad asked me if I would carry on with it when I returned to England. I replied I probably would not until I had taken Amrit, on account I wanted to be fully sikh inside before I was comfortable being seen as a sikh. </p><p></p><p>I think if you are amritdhari sikh then you must follow the code to the letter, or make your best effort. For the rest of us, this remains the end of one road and the beginning of another, but whilst that flux remains, it would be futile to pretend that certain things do not happen and brush them under the carpet, although I strongly believe that alcohol should not be mentioned in the same breath or sentence as 'Guru Ka Langar', call it something else. .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 148141, member: 14641"] As someone who used to regularly put away a bottle of scotch a night, I feel I can speak with some authority on the dangers of drinking to excess. At the age of 26 my doctor informed me my liver was in the same condition as the liver of a man aged 80. Age gives way to maturity, I drink occasionally now, and my wife does not drink at all. You drink because the alcohol gives you a high, takes away inhibitions and it makes it easier to have a good time. I am no saint, I love a good bottle of wine with a meal or a beer with a curry, although strangely my mothers cooking I only eat with coca cola. However, I believe the gurus forbade the use of alcohol as it inhibits the search for the creator. Although I am not blessed enough yet, I would imagine being as one with the creator as better than the best champagne and the purest drugs. Although this does beg the question would being addicted to feelings of closeness to the creator be wrong? To the question of alcohol being served at social functions on premises owned by a gurdwara, well, quite simply, it is all in the wording. Rebrand the premises as community hall, rebrand Guru Ka Langar as 'refreshments' and I think that is the best you can do. I think if alcohol is going to be served at a wedding or an engagement, avoid the use of the words 'guru ka langar', this would help everyone, as if people saw 'refreshment' they would know beforehand this probably means booze, and 'guru ka langar' means possibly meat but no booze. I take a liberal view on this, purely because if people are going to be 'human' at least get the rules correct. Gyaniji is as always quite correct as to what the Gurus demanded of us to be good sikhs, however, I would prefer a room full of happy dancing squiffy sikhs who were on the right track to gurmukhi, than a room full of physically perfect sikhs wishing they were somewhere else. I come from a khatri background, and ours are one of the worst culprits for appearances. Sikhism represents nothing more than a social club where ego and pride are highly lauded to some of these people. Sikhism for these is all about ceremony, tradition, rituals, again I push forward the point by taking dear sinnerji as a excellent example. From what I have read , Sinnerji is quite intelligent regarding philosophy and spirituality, he is on the road to find himself, and then ultimately the creator, and he clearly likes a drink and a dance. I could quite happily talk to him for hours about the search for the truth, whereas there are plenty of people who do not drink and are not mona who have absolutely no idea what sikhism represents or how powerful it can be as an aide to living. I read in detail the sikh code of conduct the other day, just to see how far short I fall. I fall pretty short. But I also observed enough in the code that all of us probably fall short. Which of the codes are more forgivable, which will deflect us from the path of the guru?. Under the code I cannot socialise with smokers, a woman cannot have pierced ears. To take this to the extreme, drinkers who go to Gurdwara, should they have a time limit by which the alcohol should have left the system before they are allowed to enter, should women with pierced ears not put rings in them before entering? Both the non drinking of alcohol and the piercing of ears are against the code, which one is worse, is the sight of a woman with pierced ears or a mona holding a sign proclaiming 'alcohol is beadbi' a contradiction? I have decided to go to India with my wife in November to stay with my parents. As a gesture I will grow my hair out and wear a pugh, my dad asked me if I would carry on with it when I returned to England. I replied I probably would not until I had taken Amrit, on account I wanted to be fully sikh inside before I was comfortable being seen as a sikh. I think if you are amritdhari sikh then you must follow the code to the letter, or make your best effort. For the rest of us, this remains the end of one road and the beginning of another, but whilst that flux remains, it would be futile to pretend that certain things do not happen and brush them under the carpet, although I strongly believe that alcohol should not be mentioned in the same breath or sentence as 'Guru Ka Langar', call it something else. . [/QUOTE]
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