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<blockquote data-quote="arshi" data-source="post: 147983" data-attributes="member: 9479"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This is precisely the problem in allowing meat and alcohol to be served on premises owned by or associated with the Gurudwara Sahib, often these halls are adjacent to the Gurudwara itself and it </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">has been</span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> known for langar to be cooked at the Gurudwara langar precinct and served in the hall next door where a liberal attitude is taken to the consumption of meat and drink – thus mixing langar (sanctified food at the feet of the Guru - <em>bhog lagwana</em>) with other food and liquid products. It is quite common in such circumstances for this to be referred to as <em>‘Guru ka Langar’</em> on invitation cards. Such langar prepared with devotion in the Guru’s langar hall is then served in the party hall with all its impurities thus 'polluting' the food which earlier received the Guru’s blessing through the <em>Ardas</em> and <em>‘bhog’.’ </em>I agree with Ishna ji saying </span><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>calling it Guru Ka Langar on the card does not make it Guru Ka Langar if the essential discipline is not observed. </strong></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">On another thread (now closed), this was the core principle in point not the protagonists involved, as they change according to each case. The Sikh awareness on this is changing rapidly in the <?xml::<img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/ /><st1:place w:st=" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />UK, although isolated cases do blow the issue out of proportion. Whatever the argument there is no justification for Sikhs fighting Sikhs, even in the face of goading or provocation (this saddens me a lot). In my humble opinion, it is wrong to serve meat and alcohol on premises owned by or associated with the Gurudwara Sahib. <?"urn:<img src=" /></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I know that some feel that hiring out halls make commercial sense and will ease the Guru Ghar’s financial problems and these may be noble thoughts. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">However, if the Guru Ghars are managed properly, the Sikh tenets adhered to and expounded with true devotion and dedication finance will not be an issue. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The majority of Sikh Gurudwaras in the UK have flourished over the years and we see impressive and beautiful buildings in place of small houses and wooden sheds these started from – I was involved with a few in the 1970s. None of these had to resort to raising funds by being liberal in the use of their premises, although talk of this has been going on since the early 70s and in my experience each time this was at the behest of those who loved a lifestyle involving meat and alcohol. Then they did not have their way and Gurudwaras flourished nevertheless. We can do it now without comprising our standards and principles.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The sad thing (as pointed out by Gurukameet) is </span><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>the Gurudwara proceedings are fast becoming a necessary ritual with some which they feel has to be tolerated before the party begins. I have also noticed that many miss the Gurudwara function altogether and take up seats at the celebration hall well in advance. </strong></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">None of the above comments are aimed at anyone in particular and are meant in good faith – apologies in advance or any offence caused.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’</span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="arshi, post: 147983, member: 9479"] [B][FONT=Verdana]This is precisely the problem in allowing meat and alcohol to be served on premises owned by or associated with the Gurudwara Sahib, often these halls are adjacent to the Gurudwara itself and it [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]has been[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] known for langar to be cooked at the Gurudwara langar precinct and served in the hall next door where a liberal attitude is taken to the consumption of meat and drink – thus mixing langar (sanctified food at the feet of the Guru - [I]bhog lagwana[/I]) with other food and liquid products. It is quite common in such circumstances for this to be referred to as [I]‘Guru ka Langar’[/I] on invitation cards. Such langar prepared with devotion in the Guru’s langar hall is then served in the party hall with all its impurities thus 'polluting' the food which earlier received the Guru’s blessing through the [I]Ardas[/I] and [I]‘bhog’.’ [/I]I agree with Ishna ji saying [/FONT][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][B]calling it Guru Ka Langar on the card does not make it Guru Ka Langar if the essential discipline is not observed. [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana]On another thread (now closed), this was the core principle in point not the protagonists involved, as they change according to each case. The Sikh awareness on this is changing rapidly in the <?xml::[IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/ /><st1:place w:st=[/IMG]UK, although isolated cases do blow the issue out of proportion. Whatever the argument there is no justification for Sikhs fighting Sikhs, even in the face of goading or provocation (this saddens me a lot). In my humble opinion, it is wrong to serve meat and alcohol on premises owned by or associated with the Gurudwara Sahib. <?"urn:<img src=" />[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana]I know that some feel that hiring out halls make commercial sense and will ease the Guru Ghar’s financial problems and these may be noble thoughts. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]However, if the Guru Ghars are managed properly, the Sikh tenets adhered to and expounded with true devotion and dedication finance will not be an issue. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]The majority of Sikh Gurudwaras in the UK have flourished over the years and we see impressive and beautiful buildings in place of small houses and wooden sheds these started from – I was involved with a few in the 1970s. None of these had to resort to raising funds by being liberal in the use of their premises, although talk of this has been going on since the early 70s and in my experience each time this was at the behest of those who loved a lifestyle involving meat and alcohol. Then they did not have their way and Gurudwaras flourished nevertheless. We can do it now without comprising our standards and principles.[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana]The sad thing (as pointed out by Gurukameet) is [/FONT][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][B]the Gurudwara proceedings are fast becoming a necessary ritual with some which they feel has to be tolerated before the party begins. I have also noticed that many miss the Gurudwara function altogether and take up seats at the celebration hall well in advance. [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana]None of the above comments are aimed at anyone in particular and are meant in good faith – apologies in advance or any offence caused.[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’[/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]
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