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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 147959" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>The position of SIKHI/Gurmatt is very clear and unambigious..as per the teachings of SGGS.</p><p></p><p>1. DIET and dietary "restrictions". methods of preparation, choice of ingredients etc etc ALL of which are very common to most religions are NOT at all discussed in GURBANI. Even in Sikh Rehat maryada, the ONLY thing that is DETAILED as to how to prepare, what ingredients to use and how to serve it etc etc..is Karrah parshaad DEGH which is <strong>MANDATORY</strong> in THE P<strong>PRESENCE of SGGS and At ALL Ocassions where SGGS is parkashed/ceremonies requiring presence of SGGS where a ANAND SAHIB is read, ARDASS performed and Hukmanmah taken.</strong> </p><p></p><p><u><strong>HERE in spite of such clear and unambigous instructions..SIKHS in their self serving interests have taken to serve things like Bananas, oranges, apples, laddoos, commercially manufactured sweets, jalebis, barfis,Riorriaes, badaams, patashas (sukka parshaad),</strong><strong> acked Parshaad etc etc etc as "PARSHAAD" and which is Patently WRONG and Ultravires the SRM.</strong></u> Several Gurdwaras and the NANAKSAREE THAATHS do this on a PERMANENT BASIS..that is NO Karrah parshaad is EVER prepared, brought in as Ardass Kirpan Bhet and distributed EVER. A Clear VIOLATION of the SRM...yet most SIKHS have accepted thsi lying down !! No one ever rasied an objection.</p><p>GURBANI also MENTIONS this SACRED Parshaad made up of three -atta-ghee-sugar as Pavittar food...</p><p></p><p>2. The SRM and GURBANI as well also clearly not only discourages....it OPENLY CONDEMNS in the strongest terms the consumption of ALCOHOL and other INTOXICATING SUBSTANCES. The SRM lists this as One of the FOUR MAJOR KUREHITS....which means ones DISCIPLINE as a SIKH is BROKEN andin TATTERS if one imbibes of ALCOHOL...yet surprisingly MOST SIKHS...seldom if ever..open their mouths about this except to"DRINK"..and drink they do..like fish and so unashamedly...</p><p></p><p>3. Even MORE surprising is the TOTAL SILENCE of these Sant babas Parcharaks and dholkian chhanneh kuttann wallehs about ALCOHOL....even if the mention it..its half heartedly...none of the DERAS have ever run a ANTI-ALCOHOL Campaign...becasue IF they do..they are going to annoy a lot of people...The Radha Soamis to their credit hold alcohol in very bad taste..and their Babas condemn it almost as mcuh as SGGS does !! even though SGGS is NOT their GURU but OURS.Namdharees also do the same...and SGGS is also NOT their Guru...</p><p></p><p>4. Many of my Muslim friends often jokingly say..Mr Singh..God threw two things on the <strong>RUBBISH HEAP</strong>....Meat and Alcohol...and looks like the Muslims grabbed the MEAT..and the SIKHS took back Alcohol...and the way Muslims consume MEAT..mirrors the way SIKHS consume Alcohol !!.....and Now just as SIKHS are increasingly taking to MEAT..so are Muslims increasingly falling deeply in Love with ALCOHOL...</p><p></p><p>5. One section of SIKHS have always been LOVERS of Intoxicating DRUGS like Bhang, and these occupy a Romantic hero position in Sikhs..these are the NIHUNGS....an entire section of people romantically termed saint Soldiers..Knights of God..etc etc and in their GURDWARAS..MEAT is also common. ...In fact JHATKA is mostly a NIHUNG tradition.</p><p></p><p>6. Most SIKHS..especially the sant babas and Mahapurshs keep DEAFENINGLY SILENT on the DAILY RITUAL of GOAT SLAUGHTER/JHATKA in PUBLIC VIEW and the BLOO.D tilak etc applied to the Weapons in the presence of SGGS and to SGGS in the TAKHAT HAZOOR SAHIB - One of the Five Highest TAKHATS !!!!!!!! the SILENCE among us is EMBARASSING !!! Shows our HYPOCRACY because at another Major TAKHAT the jathedar ( also a darling of the SANT babas, dera, taksaals, Mahapurashs etc etc) is a BIGAMIST whose reason for marrying more than once is to emulate Guru Gobind Singh Ji !!</p><p></p><p>7 Among us SIKHS there is a grwoing trend to TARGET small weak targets...in Amritsar the "satikaar" sikhs targetted, cornered the SHOPKEEPER cum owner of a Printing/bookseller and blackend his face and beat him up inside a room at Darbar sahib...=== his offense..he was selling SGGS to anyone who came to buy...This was clearly a "BUINESS" decision as SELLING SGGS is big business !! Here and there individuals who are NOT that BIG are targetted off and ON...BUT those Big babs that have Hukmnamahs issued by Akal takhat no less are left well alone..that is POLITICS in action...and HYPOCRACY exposed. What SIKHS must do is be FAIR and SQUARE..to all...big and small..equally. </p><p></p><p>8. Some measures are COUNTER PRODUCTIVE..when the WRONG ISSUE is addressed. Look at PUNJAB...99.9% of the WEDDING ATTENDEES go straight to the Marriage Palace..and 0.01% actually go to the GURDWARA for the Lavaan !! WHAT measures are being taken to STOP this trend...a Hukmnamah was issued to STOP the SGGS from being taken to Marriage Palaces....NOW the GURU is ABSENT but it didnt change one IOTA..the Bad habits of his SIKHS....the issue to be tackled was to STOP the Bad Habit among the SIKHS...instead the issue was SIDE TRACKED to "remove the GURU" to respect HIM !! Now the GURU is highly respected but almost alone with NO SIKHS at Lavaan ceremony which is HASTILY DONE and completed as fast as possible...TO ME..that is the worst frm of DISRESPECT !! IN Contrast in MALAYSIA...99.9% of the Anand Karaj GUESTS, Janj etc etc ALL ATTEND GURDWARA SAHIB....the Darbar is full to CAPACITY as BOTH sides..Bride's as wella s Bridegroom's attend in FULL. Then the GROOM side have another Thanksgiving diwan in the GURDWARA at their home town......the meat-alcohol drama takes place in a separate HALL as a WEDDING DINNER/BHANGRA dancing etc.... This used to take place in RENTED HALLS belonging to the CHURCHES nearby...or Chinese halls etc etc..over time SIKHS thought why NOT make our own Halls os SIKH MONEY remains in SIKH hands...as such many GURDWARAS built huge Halls for such functions and now most Sikh Wedding Dinners take place in such halls...and the Million Dollar question is..IF we FORCE SIKHS to VACATE SUCH HALLS...without stopping their INDIVIDUAL BAD HABITS of eating meat/consuming ALCOHOL and BHANGRA filthy songs on DJ...etc etc...what will really happen is the Marriage palace phenomenon in Punjab...the 99.9% Gurdwara attending 'sangat" may decide to give the Lavaan a MISS and attend the Dinner cum show ONLY at a Hall owned by other Races and help to divert sikh money away from the Gurdwaras...</p><p>HOSH and NOT JOSH is the wya to go..but i see JOSH more than HOSH...as for me..I only attend the Gurdwara and never the dinner bhangra etc as i find it distastefull...that is the way more sikhs should be persuaded to go...rather than use strong arm tactics on GURDWARAS !!</p><p></p><p>Final Line..Calling ALCOHOL "Guru ka langgar" is like telling a Muslim Pork.ham is "Hallal"...ha ha..nothing more foolish than that...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 147959, member: 189"] The position of SIKHI/Gurmatt is very clear and unambigious..as per the teachings of SGGS. 1. DIET and dietary "restrictions". methods of preparation, choice of ingredients etc etc ALL of which are very common to most religions are NOT at all discussed in GURBANI. Even in Sikh Rehat maryada, the ONLY thing that is DETAILED as to how to prepare, what ingredients to use and how to serve it etc etc..is Karrah parshaad DEGH which is [B]MANDATORY[/B] in THE P[B]PRESENCE of SGGS and At ALL Ocassions where SGGS is parkashed/ceremonies requiring presence of SGGS where a ANAND SAHIB is read, ARDASS performed and Hukmanmah taken.[/B] [U][B]HERE in spite of such clear and unambigous instructions..SIKHS in their self serving interests have taken to serve things like Bananas, oranges, apples, laddoos, commercially manufactured sweets, jalebis, barfis,Riorriaes, badaams, patashas (sukka parshaad),[/B][B] acked Parshaad etc etc etc as "PARSHAAD" and which is Patently WRONG and Ultravires the SRM.[/B][/U] Several Gurdwaras and the NANAKSAREE THAATHS do this on a PERMANENT BASIS..that is NO Karrah parshaad is EVER prepared, brought in as Ardass Kirpan Bhet and distributed EVER. A Clear VIOLATION of the SRM...yet most SIKHS have accepted thsi lying down !! No one ever rasied an objection. GURBANI also MENTIONS this SACRED Parshaad made up of three -atta-ghee-sugar as Pavittar food... 2. The SRM and GURBANI as well also clearly not only discourages....it OPENLY CONDEMNS in the strongest terms the consumption of ALCOHOL and other INTOXICATING SUBSTANCES. The SRM lists this as One of the FOUR MAJOR KUREHITS....which means ones DISCIPLINE as a SIKH is BROKEN andin TATTERS if one imbibes of ALCOHOL...yet surprisingly MOST SIKHS...seldom if ever..open their mouths about this except to"DRINK"..and drink they do..like fish and so unashamedly... 3. Even MORE surprising is the TOTAL SILENCE of these Sant babas Parcharaks and dholkian chhanneh kuttann wallehs about ALCOHOL....even if the mention it..its half heartedly...none of the DERAS have ever run a ANTI-ALCOHOL Campaign...becasue IF they do..they are going to annoy a lot of people...The Radha Soamis to their credit hold alcohol in very bad taste..and their Babas condemn it almost as mcuh as SGGS does !! even though SGGS is NOT their GURU but OURS.Namdharees also do the same...and SGGS is also NOT their Guru... 4. Many of my Muslim friends often jokingly say..Mr Singh..God threw two things on the [B]RUBBISH HEAP[/B]....Meat and Alcohol...and looks like the Muslims grabbed the MEAT..and the SIKHS took back Alcohol...and the way Muslims consume MEAT..mirrors the way SIKHS consume Alcohol !!.....and Now just as SIKHS are increasingly taking to MEAT..so are Muslims increasingly falling deeply in Love with ALCOHOL... 5. One section of SIKHS have always been LOVERS of Intoxicating DRUGS like Bhang, and these occupy a Romantic hero position in Sikhs..these are the NIHUNGS....an entire section of people romantically termed saint Soldiers..Knights of God..etc etc and in their GURDWARAS..MEAT is also common. ...In fact JHATKA is mostly a NIHUNG tradition. 6. Most SIKHS..especially the sant babas and Mahapurshs keep DEAFENINGLY SILENT on the DAILY RITUAL of GOAT SLAUGHTER/JHATKA in PUBLIC VIEW and the BLOO.D tilak etc applied to the Weapons in the presence of SGGS and to SGGS in the TAKHAT HAZOOR SAHIB - One of the Five Highest TAKHATS !!!!!!!! the SILENCE among us is EMBARASSING !!! Shows our HYPOCRACY because at another Major TAKHAT the jathedar ( also a darling of the SANT babas, dera, taksaals, Mahapurashs etc etc) is a BIGAMIST whose reason for marrying more than once is to emulate Guru Gobind Singh Ji !! 7 Among us SIKHS there is a grwoing trend to TARGET small weak targets...in Amritsar the "satikaar" sikhs targetted, cornered the SHOPKEEPER cum owner of a Printing/bookseller and blackend his face and beat him up inside a room at Darbar sahib...=== his offense..he was selling SGGS to anyone who came to buy...This was clearly a "BUINESS" decision as SELLING SGGS is big business !! Here and there individuals who are NOT that BIG are targetted off and ON...BUT those Big babs that have Hukmnamahs issued by Akal takhat no less are left well alone..that is POLITICS in action...and HYPOCRACY exposed. What SIKHS must do is be FAIR and SQUARE..to all...big and small..equally. 8. Some measures are COUNTER PRODUCTIVE..when the WRONG ISSUE is addressed. Look at PUNJAB...99.9% of the WEDDING ATTENDEES go straight to the Marriage Palace..and 0.01% actually go to the GURDWARA for the Lavaan !! WHAT measures are being taken to STOP this trend...a Hukmnamah was issued to STOP the SGGS from being taken to Marriage Palaces....NOW the GURU is ABSENT but it didnt change one IOTA..the Bad habits of his SIKHS....the issue to be tackled was to STOP the Bad Habit among the SIKHS...instead the issue was SIDE TRACKED to "remove the GURU" to respect HIM !! Now the GURU is highly respected but almost alone with NO SIKHS at Lavaan ceremony which is HASTILY DONE and completed as fast as possible...TO ME..that is the worst frm of DISRESPECT !! IN Contrast in MALAYSIA...99.9% of the Anand Karaj GUESTS, Janj etc etc ALL ATTEND GURDWARA SAHIB....the Darbar is full to CAPACITY as BOTH sides..Bride's as wella s Bridegroom's attend in FULL. Then the GROOM side have another Thanksgiving diwan in the GURDWARA at their home town......the meat-alcohol drama takes place in a separate HALL as a WEDDING DINNER/BHANGRA dancing etc.... This used to take place in RENTED HALLS belonging to the CHURCHES nearby...or Chinese halls etc etc..over time SIKHS thought why NOT make our own Halls os SIKH MONEY remains in SIKH hands...as such many GURDWARAS built huge Halls for such functions and now most Sikh Wedding Dinners take place in such halls...and the Million Dollar question is..IF we FORCE SIKHS to VACATE SUCH HALLS...without stopping their INDIVIDUAL BAD HABITS of eating meat/consuming ALCOHOL and BHANGRA filthy songs on DJ...etc etc...what will really happen is the Marriage palace phenomenon in Punjab...the 99.9% Gurdwara attending 'sangat" may decide to give the Lavaan a MISS and attend the Dinner cum show ONLY at a Hall owned by other Races and help to divert sikh money away from the Gurdwaras... HOSH and NOT JOSH is the wya to go..but i see JOSH more than HOSH...as for me..I only attend the Gurdwara and never the dinner bhangra etc as i find it distastefull...that is the way more sikhs should be persuaded to go...rather than use strong arm tactics on GURDWARAS !! Final Line..Calling ALCOHOL "Guru ka langgar" is like telling a Muslim Pork.ham is "Hallal"...ha ha..nothing more foolish than that... [/QUOTE]
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