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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 210564" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>Not all lies stem from the above, living in truth means just that, and when one has found the truth, one should keep it to oneself, life becomes a dance to the truth, mere words are insignificant, it is actions and consequences that are important, thus when in a bad situation where a tactical advantage can me made than the supreme truth, and the consequences need to be considered before the conceptual sin of the spoken word is considered, could the truth be so far away from a simple spoken word that it has to take into account circumstances and the moment. Does a man watching his wife of leprosy still reply that she is still beautiful? that watching her fade away is more painful than death itself, where is the truth then? what form does it take? is it simple enough to transfer to the spoken word? Is living truthfully the same as not lying?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I personally think that seeking the truth has little to do with words, I am not suggesting that we live a life of lies, although in essence we do, what I am saying is that lying in itself has little to do with whether one lives in truth.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have raised this point before, some of our Gurus were battle tacticians, do you think that any subterfuge was never given to our enemies? If you could explain that I would be grateful, as it would help my own understanding.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>constant lying is a bad thing, that is not what I am talking about, on the whole, I speak the truth, sometimes I am optimistic, and yes, sometimes I do lie, however, if I am going to lie, I make sure the person knows I am lying, like, for instance, telling a new partner how many women were before, a nervous laugh, a long pause, a long errrrrrr and then errrrr 2. Logic and discretion and the search for the truth, and doing everything in the name of the truth, to me are cornerstones of Sikhism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I spend most of my time in that state, in my past, I spent 24/7 in that state, for some time, it nearly destroyed me, it made me realise no one likes the truth, and a true state can only be had with others of a similar disposition. Does a rapist deserve the truth in the action of rape? or a thief? or a murderer?</p><p></p><p><em>The inevitable happened at Chamkaur. The Mughal army still thought that the Guru was alive and was in the fortress, and that his escape, during the night, was only a hoax. They, therefore, decided to attack the fortress all at once. There were only five Sikhs and after a short and fierce battle all of them were killed. As the Mughal commanders entered the fortress they found the Kalghi of the Guru and thought that they had killed him. So they took the head with the Kalghi to the Governor of Sirhind. But it was not the Guru's head. It was Bhai Sant Singh who wore the Kalghi and he resembled the Guru.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p style="text-align: left"><img src="http://www.gurmat.info/sms/smspublications/thesaintsoldier/uchhdapir.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><em>By now the Guru had passed safely through the enemy's territory and reached the forest of Machhiwara. The Mughal armies were searching for him all over the forest. It was at this difficult consent that two Muslim friends, Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan disguised the Guru as "Uchh Da Pir" (a reputed Muslim saint of Uchh village) and carried him reverently in a curtained plantain to safety. After four week's journey the Guru finally reached Raikot in Ludhiana District. Rai Kalha, the Chief of Jagraon and Raikot received the Guru warmly. The Guru stayed there for some time. For Rai Kalha's services the Guru gave him a Jug and a sword which his family have kept all through these centuries. (In 1947 Rai Kalha's family went away to Pakistan and took the souvenirs with them)</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>This story was copied from Gurmat.info, I do not know the site, it is the story I interested in, which is , as I am sure you will agree quite a common one. Was our Guruji more interested in truthful living or the truth per se?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>then you can not operate in today's society, it would only work on a desert island or if you had solitude, or if the people around you had also risen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How does that statement reflect the above story?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am humbled and honoured, you have a gift of writing, the way you use your marine experience to mirror life, and the way it is written brings back fond memories of 'zen and the art of motorcycling maintenance'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 210564, member: 14641"] Not all lies stem from the above, living in truth means just that, and when one has found the truth, one should keep it to oneself, life becomes a dance to the truth, mere words are insignificant, it is actions and consequences that are important, thus when in a bad situation where a tactical advantage can me made than the supreme truth, and the consequences need to be considered before the conceptual sin of the spoken word is considered, could the truth be so far away from a simple spoken word that it has to take into account circumstances and the moment. Does a man watching his wife of leprosy still reply that she is still beautiful? that watching her fade away is more painful than death itself, where is the truth then? what form does it take? is it simple enough to transfer to the spoken word? Is living truthfully the same as not lying? I personally think that seeking the truth has little to do with words, I am not suggesting that we live a life of lies, although in essence we do, what I am saying is that lying in itself has little to do with whether one lives in truth. I have raised this point before, some of our Gurus were battle tacticians, do you think that any subterfuge was never given to our enemies? If you could explain that I would be grateful, as it would help my own understanding. constant lying is a bad thing, that is not what I am talking about, on the whole, I speak the truth, sometimes I am optimistic, and yes, sometimes I do lie, however, if I am going to lie, I make sure the person knows I am lying, like, for instance, telling a new partner how many women were before, a nervous laugh, a long pause, a long errrrrrr and then errrrr 2. Logic and discretion and the search for the truth, and doing everything in the name of the truth, to me are cornerstones of Sikhism. I spend most of my time in that state, in my past, I spent 24/7 in that state, for some time, it nearly destroyed me, it made me realise no one likes the truth, and a true state can only be had with others of a similar disposition. Does a rapist deserve the truth in the action of rape? or a thief? or a murderer? [I]The inevitable happened at Chamkaur. The Mughal army still thought that the Guru was alive and was in the fortress, and that his escape, during the night, was only a hoax. They, therefore, decided to attack the fortress all at once. There were only five Sikhs and after a short and fierce battle all of them were killed. As the Mughal commanders entered the fortress they found the Kalghi of the Guru and thought that they had killed him. So they took the head with the Kalghi to the Governor of Sirhind. But it was not the Guru's head. It was Bhai Sant Singh who wore the Kalghi and he resembled the Guru. [/I] [LEFT][IMG]http://www.gurmat.info/sms/smspublications/thesaintsoldier/uchhdapir.jpg[/IMG][/LEFT] [I]By now the Guru had passed safely through the enemy's territory and reached the forest of Machhiwara. The Mughal armies were searching for him all over the forest. It was at this difficult consent that two Muslim friends, Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan disguised the Guru as "Uchh Da Pir" (a reputed Muslim saint of Uchh village) and carried him reverently in a curtained plantain to safety. After four week's journey the Guru finally reached Raikot in Ludhiana District. Rai Kalha, the Chief of Jagraon and Raikot received the Guru warmly. The Guru stayed there for some time. For Rai Kalha's services the Guru gave him a Jug and a sword which his family have kept all through these centuries. (In 1947 Rai Kalha's family went away to Pakistan and took the souvenirs with them) [/I] This story was copied from Gurmat.info, I do not know the site, it is the story I interested in, which is , as I am sure you will agree quite a common one. Was our Guruji more interested in truthful living or the truth per se? then you can not operate in today's society, it would only work on a desert island or if you had solitude, or if the people around you had also risen. How does that statement reflect the above story? I am humbled and honoured, you have a gift of writing, the way you use your marine experience to mirror life, and the way it is written brings back fond memories of 'zen and the art of motorcycling maintenance' [/QUOTE]
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