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<blockquote data-quote="Pathfinder" data-source="post: 210551" data-attributes="member: 21250"><p>Harry ji,</p><p></p><p>Just the other day I was watching a movie, 'the invention of lying'. Then it just struck me. It is just the mortal clan that uses this and we use it to justify our insecurities, greed, fear , glorification etc. </p><p></p><p>The truth always existed....period.</p><p></p><p>.. it's just the lies that we invented for our own need.. to add to our already long, tragic list of frailties.</p><p></p><p>We justify these lies with noble intentions to convince othes and ourselves that we did right. </p><p></p><p>Regarding scenarios, we are humans remember... we can justify anything.</p><p>You can convince me that the glass is half empty and an hour or so later that it is half full. </p><p></p><p>We have endless scenarios of Sikh Martyrs to inspire us on the upholding of the truth. </p><p></p><p>Say we find the 'genesis scenario' then what. Do we justify or glorify the need to lie?, using the example. I doubt it bodes well for 'seekers of truth'. </p><p></p><p>We pilfer, bleed every gift of Wahegueu's to us - even earth and nature, then join the sangat to pray the truth that earth, nature is a mother to us. How much hypocrisy runs in our blood. NOT ALL but Most of us anyway - at least myself, that I can shamefully admit.</p><p></p><p>Why is a lie ever and even an option or a nessesary lie a quest? . We are not short on inspiration from our Guru ji's to our endless list of Martyrs. </p><p></p><p>I once had a similar debate on board the vessel with a scientist Greg. He stated that lying was a disease, was an addiction. He said he treated both of his quits similarly. Just quit for the next 5 minutes. Then another five and so on.</p><p></p><p>Slowly we can try to remain lie free for an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year like quitters quit smoking. Not one puff ever is a smoking quitters mantra. Not one lie ever should be for lies. No matter how strong the urge or the justification to lie, you Don't have an option, remember. Slowly he stated -truth becomes a habit. I was dumbfounded. Isn't that so simple and straight forward. </p><p></p><p>Once we rise above the lies and embrace a truthful existence then we will worry about the next step. Truth and lies cannot coexist. </p><p></p><p>Like there is no imperfect truth, there is no nessesary lie. Imperfect truth if such a thing does exist - it is nothing but a lie. Truth<span style="font-size: 16px"> is simply the truth. </span></p><p></p><p>I just feel a emptiness, an vacuum - in my soul - each time I used one of the endless 'unavoidable lies' and I ignored Wahegueu's warning and went ahead as I felt it was 'nessesary'. Today I look back and don't see a proud sailor taking those desicions. I see a bloated, egoistic, lost, sorry figure attempting to play king who was smart in twisting the lies. I feel sorry, ashamed for falling into the trap of 'nessesary lies'. It's a bit too late though. I am just glad that I have been given a second chance.</p><p></p><p>Just my two cents (must learn to post smaller replies i realise, lol).</p><p></p><p>I must admit... I steal a lot of inspirations from your threads/posts out on the forum.</p><p></p><p>WGJDK, WGJDF.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pathfinder, post: 210551, member: 21250"] Harry ji, Just the other day I was watching a movie, 'the invention of lying'. Then it just struck me. It is just the mortal clan that uses this and we use it to justify our insecurities, greed, fear , glorification etc. The truth always existed....period. .. it's just the lies that we invented for our own need.. to add to our already long, tragic list of frailties. We justify these lies with noble intentions to convince othes and ourselves that we did right. Regarding scenarios, we are humans remember... we can justify anything. You can convince me that the glass is half empty and an hour or so later that it is half full. We have endless scenarios of Sikh Martyrs to inspire us on the upholding of the truth. Say we find the 'genesis scenario' then what. Do we justify or glorify the need to lie?, using the example. I doubt it bodes well for 'seekers of truth'. We pilfer, bleed every gift of Wahegueu's to us - even earth and nature, then join the sangat to pray the truth that earth, nature is a mother to us. How much hypocrisy runs in our blood. NOT ALL but Most of us anyway - at least myself, that I can shamefully admit. Why is a lie ever and even an option or a nessesary lie a quest? . We are not short on inspiration from our Guru ji's to our endless list of Martyrs. I once had a similar debate on board the vessel with a scientist Greg. He stated that lying was a disease, was an addiction. He said he treated both of his quits similarly. Just quit for the next 5 minutes. Then another five and so on. Slowly we can try to remain lie free for an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year like quitters quit smoking. Not one puff ever is a smoking quitters mantra. Not one lie ever should be for lies. No matter how strong the urge or the justification to lie, you Don't have an option, remember. Slowly he stated -truth becomes a habit. I was dumbfounded. Isn't that so simple and straight forward. Once we rise above the lies and embrace a truthful existence then we will worry about the next step. Truth and lies cannot coexist. Like there is no imperfect truth, there is no nessesary lie. Imperfect truth if such a thing does exist - it is nothing but a lie. Truth[SIZE=16px] is simply the truth. [/SIZE] I just feel a emptiness, an vacuum - in my soul - each time I used one of the endless 'unavoidable lies' and I ignored Wahegueu's warning and went ahead as I felt it was 'nessesary'. Today I look back and don't see a proud sailor taking those desicions. I see a bloated, egoistic, lost, sorry figure attempting to play king who was smart in twisting the lies. I feel sorry, ashamed for falling into the trap of 'nessesary lies'. It's a bit too late though. I am just glad that I have been given a second chance. Just my two cents (must learn to post smaller replies i realise, lol). I must admit... I steal a lot of inspirations from your threads/posts out on the forum. WGJDK, WGJDF. [/QUOTE]
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