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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Balbir27" data-source="post: 214237" data-attributes="member: 21905"><p><strong>Ek Oankar (Never forget)</strong></p><p></p><p>Dear Singh 1999, you have asked a very important question but which first needs some background clarification before an answer can be reached.</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Historically</u></strong>,</p><p></p><p><strong>Miri</strong> is a Persian word which, in the Sikhi context means Commander or similar and signifies a Controlling Power.</p><p></p><p><strong>Piri</strong> is again Persian, from “Pir”, in our context meaning the Spiritual Head. (While Guru Gobind Singh was being carried by his followers through Mughal territory, it was proclaimed that He was the Pir of Hindustan).</p><p></p><p>So, the former is <strong>temporal</strong> and the latter, <strong>spiritual</strong>.</p><p></p><p>This twin concept appears to first have been put into practise by Guru Hargobind, on Guru Arjan’s instructions (necessitated by the ruling Mughals discriminatory religious policy and persecutions), simply for the purpose of defending the community’s right of freedom to choose and practice their own faith. The 2 flags at Harmandir Sahib and the Temple itself with the Akal Takht opposite to it represent Miri and Piri.</p><p></p><p><strong>Guru Gobind Singh</strong> wrote in his <strong>Zafarnama, </strong>in Persian (read about it), to Aurangzeb –</p><p></p><p> <em>Chun kar az hameh heelate dar guzasht</em></p><p></p><p><em> Halal ast burden bi-shamsher dast.</em></p><p></p><p>Meaning <em>When all has been tried, yet Justice is not in sight</em></p><p></p><p><em> It is then right to pick up the sword; It is then right to fight.</em></p><p></p><p>Ultimately, Guru Gobind Singh created the Panj Pyare and then the Khalsa Panth, which enjoined both Miri and Piri into one entity.</p><p></p><p><strong>Which is more important?</strong></p><p></p><p>My understanding is that both Miri and Piri must be <strong>in balance.</strong></p><p></p><p>Piri provides the religious and spiritual guidance, while Miri is ever present to defend it.</p><p></p><p>Learn and find your spiritual path by your own free will but at the same time be prepared to defend this regardless if it is for yourself or others (Guru Teg Bahadur gave his own life to uphold this).</p><p></p><p><strong>How to defend?</strong></p><p></p><p>The defence of Piri has historically been the Sword. However most of the world has reached a stage in history where there are national laws and similar structures to defend each citizens right to practice their own chosen religion. So, the defence can be through the spoken word and the written word, and if all else fails under our contemporary democratic laws, then perhaps a theoretical situation may arise if another Aurangzeb arises which would require a different defence.</p><p></p><p>I hope this is helpful.</p><p></p><p><strong>Sat Sri Akal</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Balbir27, post: 214237, member: 21905"] [B]Ek Oankar (Never forget)[/B] Dear Singh 1999, you have asked a very important question but which first needs some background clarification before an answer can be reached. [B][U]Historically[/U][/B], [B]Miri[/B] is a Persian word which, in the Sikhi context means Commander or similar and signifies a Controlling Power. [B]Piri[/B] is again Persian, from “Pir”, in our context meaning the Spiritual Head. (While Guru Gobind Singh was being carried by his followers through Mughal territory, it was proclaimed that He was the Pir of Hindustan). So, the former is [B]temporal[/B] and the latter, [B]spiritual[/B]. This twin concept appears to first have been put into practise by Guru Hargobind, on Guru Arjan’s instructions (necessitated by the ruling Mughals discriminatory religious policy and persecutions), simply for the purpose of defending the community’s right of freedom to choose and practice their own faith. The 2 flags at Harmandir Sahib and the Temple itself with the Akal Takht opposite to it represent Miri and Piri. [B]Guru Gobind Singh[/B] wrote in his [B]Zafarnama, [/B]in Persian (read about it), to Aurangzeb – [I]Chun kar az hameh heelate dar guzasht[/I] [I] Halal ast burden bi-shamsher dast.[/I] Meaning [I]When all has been tried, yet Justice is not in sight[/I] [I] It is then right to pick up the sword; It is then right to fight.[/I] Ultimately, Guru Gobind Singh created the Panj Pyare and then the Khalsa Panth, which enjoined both Miri and Piri into one entity. [B]Which is more important?[/B] My understanding is that both Miri and Piri must be [B]in balance.[/B] Piri provides the religious and spiritual guidance, while Miri is ever present to defend it. Learn and find your spiritual path by your own free will but at the same time be prepared to defend this regardless if it is for yourself or others (Guru Teg Bahadur gave his own life to uphold this). [B]How to defend?[/B] The defence of Piri has historically been the Sword. However most of the world has reached a stage in history where there are national laws and similar structures to defend each citizens right to practice their own chosen religion. So, the defence can be through the spoken word and the written word, and if all else fails under our contemporary democratic laws, then perhaps a theoretical situation may arise if another Aurangzeb arises which would require a different defence. I hope this is helpful. [B]Sat Sri Akal[/B] [/QUOTE]
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