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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 103281" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>Guru Piayario Jios,</p><p>Gurfateh.</p><p></p><p>I couldnt agree more with Hardip Singh Ji.</p><p>The SRM..Sikh Rehat maryada is very clear on this.</p><p>As an "INDIVIDUAL"..a SIKH can be of any race/creed/in any shape and form..and for HIMSELF/HERSELF..he she cna do paath/ardass/take hukmnama/etc etc with FULL FREEDOM. no one has nay right to interfere...</p><p>BUT when IN SANGAT...doing Parchaar in an OFFICIAL SANCTIONED CAPACITY...the Kirtaniya/Granthi/Kathwachak/Hukmnama Reader/Degh istributor/Chaur sewadaar etc etc etc ALL MUST be REHITWAAN SIKHS...at the MINIMUM they must be Visible SIKHS. Obviously MONAS/tobacco smokers/alcohol abusers etc are excluded. THIS is NOT anti-MONA - as already said..as an INDIVIDUAL..any person is perfectly within his/her rights to approach SGGS, do paath/take hukm etc as long as he/she observes the minimal reqyuirement sof covered hair/shoes removed, wash hands etc....BUT NOT SO IN SANGAT.</p><p></p><p>The Shabads that are titled MARDANA 1 and 2 are NOT penned by Mardana Ji..but by Guru nanak ji Sahib..ADDRESSED TO BHAI MARDANA JI. Slok mardana Ji...</p><p></p><p>Sikh History is clear that Bhai mardana jis very first injunction by Guru nanak ji was STOP CUTTING HAIR and STOP SMOKING HUKKAH. Muslim Rababis usually DO BOTH these acts regularly as these people were also Nais (barbers as well)</p><p>Now to Bhai Lall...He is banned from Harmandir sahib as he cuts hair and smokes.</p><p>GURMATT like Justice..must not only be DONE..it must be SEEN TO BE DONE....or it loses its effectiveness. Surely one who sings GURBANI from hsi heart..would imbibe some of it..and CHANGE his lifestyle !!! First things FIRST..THESE Rababis were allowed to do REGULAR KIRTAN in Harmandar sahib..PRE-1947....BUT in the Partition Period..THEY PREFERRED PAKISTAN. But when they moved to PAKISTAN....they found out that their Gurbani kirtan Skills were NOT IN DEMAND AT ALL...they regretted moving..BUt no use crying over SPILT MILK ?? Now a Resurgance in Cross Border travel, More and More Sikhs visiting Pakistan Gurdwaras...and all...led them to RE-THINK about KIRTAN...and so they are HERE..in DELHI..Amrtisar...</p><p>YES..they do have the Kirtan "OOMPH"..BUT MINUS the REHAT...its like an EMPTY SHELL...a CD Player playing an excellent Shabad. After all the NAMDHAREES play very beautifully and in RAAG too..BUT they also NEGATE the GURUSHIP of SGGS....and beleive in a Human Guru that sits at PAR with SGGS...can a SIKH tolerate that ?? Can a SIKH tolerate a Namdharee singing Kirtan in Shudh Raag...isnt that a PARODY ?? is GURBANI merely a RAAG/WORDS combination......sung by anyone ?? OR does THAT perosn has to be a BELIEVER ??? THE SRM is clear..it has got to be the BELIEVER.</p><p></p><p>Those are the doubts..questions....and they wont go away just like that...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 103281, member: 189"] Guru Piayario Jios, Gurfateh. I couldnt agree more with Hardip Singh Ji. The SRM..Sikh Rehat maryada is very clear on this. As an "INDIVIDUAL"..a SIKH can be of any race/creed/in any shape and form..and for HIMSELF/HERSELF..he she cna do paath/ardass/take hukmnama/etc etc with FULL FREEDOM. no one has nay right to interfere... BUT when IN SANGAT...doing Parchaar in an OFFICIAL SANCTIONED CAPACITY...the Kirtaniya/Granthi/Kathwachak/Hukmnama Reader/Degh istributor/Chaur sewadaar etc etc etc ALL MUST be REHITWAAN SIKHS...at the MINIMUM they must be Visible SIKHS. Obviously MONAS/tobacco smokers/alcohol abusers etc are excluded. THIS is NOT anti-MONA - as already said..as an INDIVIDUAL..any person is perfectly within his/her rights to approach SGGS, do paath/take hukm etc as long as he/she observes the minimal reqyuirement sof covered hair/shoes removed, wash hands etc....BUT NOT SO IN SANGAT. The Shabads that are titled MARDANA 1 and 2 are NOT penned by Mardana Ji..but by Guru nanak ji Sahib..ADDRESSED TO BHAI MARDANA JI. Slok mardana Ji... Sikh History is clear that Bhai mardana jis very first injunction by Guru nanak ji was STOP CUTTING HAIR and STOP SMOKING HUKKAH. Muslim Rababis usually DO BOTH these acts regularly as these people were also Nais (barbers as well) Now to Bhai Lall...He is banned from Harmandir sahib as he cuts hair and smokes. GURMATT like Justice..must not only be DONE..it must be SEEN TO BE DONE....or it loses its effectiveness. Surely one who sings GURBANI from hsi heart..would imbibe some of it..and CHANGE his lifestyle !!! First things FIRST..THESE Rababis were allowed to do REGULAR KIRTAN in Harmandar sahib..PRE-1947....BUT in the Partition Period..THEY PREFERRED PAKISTAN. But when they moved to PAKISTAN....they found out that their Gurbani kirtan Skills were NOT IN DEMAND AT ALL...they regretted moving..BUt no use crying over SPILT MILK ?? Now a Resurgance in Cross Border travel, More and More Sikhs visiting Pakistan Gurdwaras...and all...led them to RE-THINK about KIRTAN...and so they are HERE..in DELHI..Amrtisar... YES..they do have the Kirtan "OOMPH"..BUT MINUS the REHAT...its like an EMPTY SHELL...a CD Player playing an excellent Shabad. After all the NAMDHAREES play very beautifully and in RAAG too..BUT they also NEGATE the GURUSHIP of SGGS....and beleive in a Human Guru that sits at PAR with SGGS...can a SIKH tolerate that ?? Can a SIKH tolerate a Namdharee singing Kirtan in Shudh Raag...isnt that a PARODY ?? is GURBANI merely a RAAG/WORDS combination......sung by anyone ?? OR does THAT perosn has to be a BELIEVER ??? THE SRM is clear..it has got to be the BELIEVER. Those are the doubts..questions....and they wont go away just like that... [/QUOTE]
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