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Shabad/Word/Akhkhar
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<blockquote data-quote="hps" data-source="post: 53480" data-attributes="member: 4752"><p><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">AKrI nwmu AKrI swlwh ] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(4-7, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue">From the Word, comes the NAAM; from the Word, comes Your Praise.</span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">AKrI igAwnu gIq gux gwh ] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(4-8, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="color: blue">From the Word, comes spiritual wisdom, singing the Songs of Your Glory</span>.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue">1.I am very grateful for the beautiful expalantion of Naam/Shabad.I am unable to post my queries at appropriate pages as I am new to this site and hence I shall be posting my doubts at one place only.You may kindly bear with my ignorance.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue">2.It shall be so kind of you if you can throw some light on 'Shabad' and 'Naam'.In view of that is quoted above from Japu ji sahib it appears that shabad and Naam are two different things as <u>'from the word comes the naam'</u>.What is <strong>shabad</strong>.Even if it be proof of HIS existance, it must be something that one can appreciate.I am veryu new to Sikhism and am reading SGGS to make concepts only.It is my first reading only.I feel stuck up when these terms appear repititivly. I am again quoting some of the parts where these appear.This is only to make thing easier for me.As I am ignorant I shall not speculate on the meaning that is provided by you.It shall be very beneficial if you could elaborate as the meaning given by you ,may be it is 100 percent correct,is not clear to me and it is the doubt of many seekers.Thanks in anticipation.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniLipi'"><span style="color: darkorange">AKrI ilKxu bolxu bwix ] <span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(4-8, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue">From the Word, come the written and spoken words and hymns.</span></p><p><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniLipi'">AKrw isir sMjogu vKwix ] </span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniLipi'">(4-8, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue">From the Word, comes destiny, written on one's forehead.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue">I again quote from Japu ji Sahib.The following deals with 'Naam'.What is the 'Naam' here.?</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">jyqw kIqw qyqw nwau ] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(4-9, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue"><u>The created universe is the manifestation of Your Name.</u></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">ivxu nwvY nwhI ko Qwau ] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(4-10, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue"><u>Without Your Name</u>, there is no place at all.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">BrIAY miq pwpw kY sMig ] </span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(4-12, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue">But when the intellect is stained and polluted by sin,</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><strong><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniLipi'"><span style="color: darkorange">Ehu DpY nwvY kY rMig ] (4-13, jpu, mÚ 1)</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue"><u>it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name.</u></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue">3.Another similar term that appears is 'sound current/Naad'.I shall be grateful if the meaning of word/shabad is elaborated.It is true that you might have spritually experienced the shabad/naam but for a blind like me how to percieve.I shall understand if the meaning is explained.The sound current can be discussed separately.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="color: #0000ff">4. From the above it is clear that there is ,in essence, difference between "naam' and 'shabad' and hence has to be differentiated.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="color: #0000ff">Thx and regards as usual.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #99cc00"><span style="color: #0000ff">hps</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: darkorange"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">nwnk <u>nwm</u>u ArwiD sBnw qy vfw siB nwvY AgY Awix invwey ]15] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(89-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: blue">O Nanak, worship and adore the NAAM, the Greatest Name of all, before which all come and bow. ||15||</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">1.This is an example of the usage of the word 'naam' that uniformly appears over entire SGGS.Why such an importance is given to 'naam' ?.From the initial/first reading of 90 pages of SGGS it appears that the entire purpose of life is to remember HIM thru. 'Naam'.As per my little knowledge the name should be 'waheguru' or 'om' or even 'allah' or some name that is enough to reflect that one is remembering the Almighty lord.Naam is received as agrace of HIM and is obtainable under the guidance of Guru. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As the Bani is of Nanak Sahib ji,it is safe to presume that SGGS was not available at that poiunt of time andhence wherever the reference is coming to Guru it would be something other than the SGGS.Thus who is that Guru who would help achieving Naam is another or seond question.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">This may kindly be read with the earlier post.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: red">"socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ]</span></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: blue">By Cleansing our bodies, the mental filth cannot be cleaned, even by cleansing hundreds of thousands of times.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: blue">Outer Bathing cannot clean the inner koor."</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #0000ff">I have quoted from the above.It appears that there is some mix up.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #0000ff">It should mean, in my opinion, that we cannot put HIM in words or thoughts even if we think of HIM million of times.[literal translation] HE is beyond description. [metaphorical]. May kindly like to correct if it is ok.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #0000ff">thx and regards.</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hps, post: 53480, member: 4752"] [B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]AKrI nwmu AKrI swlwh ] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](4-7, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue]From the Word, comes the NAAM; from the Word, comes Your Praise.[/COLOR][/FONT] [B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]AKrI igAwnu gIq gux gwh ] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](4-8, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#99cc00][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=darkorange][COLOR=blue]From the Word, comes spiritual wisdom, singing the Songs of Your Glory[/COLOR].[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#99cc00][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue]1.I am very grateful for the beautiful expalantion of Naam/Shabad.I am unable to post my queries at appropriate pages as I am new to this site and hence I shall be posting my doubts at one place only.You may kindly bear with my ignorance.[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]2.It shall be so kind of you if you can throw some light on 'Shabad' and 'Naam'.In view of that is quoted above from Japu ji sahib it appears that shabad and Naam are two different things as [U]'from the word comes the naam'[/U].What is [B]shabad[/B].Even if it be proof of HIS existance, it must be something that one can appreciate.I am veryu new to Sikhism and am reading SGGS to make concepts only.It is my first reading only.I feel stuck up when these terms appear repititivly. I am again quoting some of the parts where these appear.This is only to make thing easier for me.As I am ignorant I shall not speculate on the meaning that is provided by you.It shall be very beneficial if you could elaborate as the meaning given by you ,may be it is 100 percent correct,is not clear to me and it is the doubt of many seekers.Thanks in anticipation.[/COLOR] [B][FONT=GurbaniLipi][COLOR=darkorange]AKrI ilKxu bolxu bwix ] [FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](4-8, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [COLOR=blue]From the Word, come the written and spoken words and hymns.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniLipi]AKrw isir sMjogu vKwix ] [/FONT][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][FONT=GurbaniLipi](4-8, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue]From the Word, comes destiny, written on one's forehead.[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue]I again quote from Japu ji Sahib.The following deals with 'Naam'.What is the 'Naam' here.?[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=#99cc00][B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]jyqw kIqw qyqw nwau ] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](4-9, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue][U]The created universe is the manifestation of Your Name.[/U][/COLOR][/FONT] [B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]ivxu nwvY nwhI ko Qwau ] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](4-10, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue][U]Without Your Name[/U], there is no place at all.[/COLOR][/FONT] [B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]BrIAY miq pwpw kY sMig ] [/FONT][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](4-12, jpu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue]But when the intellect is stained and polluted by sin,[/COLOR][/FONT] [B][FONT=GurbaniLipi][COLOR=darkorange]Ehu DpY nwvY kY rMig ] (4-13, jpu, mÚ 1)[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue][U]it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name.[/U][/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT] [COLOR=#99cc00][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue]3.Another similar term that appears is 'sound current/Naad'.I shall be grateful if the meaning of word/shabad is elaborated.It is true that you might have spritually experienced the shabad/naam but for a blind like me how to percieve.I shall understand if the meaning is explained.The sound current can be discussed separately.[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]4. From the above it is clear that there is ,in essence, difference between "naam' and 'shabad' and hence has to be differentiated.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Thx and regards as usual.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]hps[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT] [B][COLOR=darkorange][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]nwnk [U]nwm[/U]u ArwiD sBnw qy vfw siB nwvY AgY Awix invwey ]15] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=2](89-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=blue]O Nanak, worship and adore the NAAM, the Greatest Name of all, before which all come and bow. ||15||[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]1.This is an example of the usage of the word 'naam' that uniformly appears over entire SGGS.Why such an importance is given to 'naam' ?.From the initial/first reading of 90 pages of SGGS it appears that the entire purpose of life is to remember HIM thru. 'Naam'.As per my little knowledge the name should be 'waheguru' or 'om' or even 'allah' or some name that is enough to reflect that one is remembering the Almighty lord.Naam is received as agrace of HIM and is obtainable under the guidance of Guru. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]As the Bani is of Nanak Sahib ji,it is safe to presume that SGGS was not available at that poiunt of time andhence wherever the reference is coming to Guru it would be something other than the SGGS.Thus who is that Guru who would help achieving Naam is another or seond question.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]This may kindly be read with the earlier post.[/FONT] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][B][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy][SIZE=3][COLOR=red]"socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman] [COLOR=blue]By Cleansing our bodies, the mental filth cannot be cleaned, even by cleansing hundreds of thousands of times.[/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=blue]Outer Bathing cannot clean the inner koor."[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#0000ff]I have quoted from the above.It appears that there is some mix up.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]It should mean, in my opinion, that we cannot put HIM in words or thoughts even if we think of HIM million of times.[literal translation] HE is beyond description. [metaphorical]. May kindly like to correct if it is ok.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]thx and regards.[/COLOR] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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