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<blockquote data-quote="gur_meet" data-source="post: 179374" data-attributes="member: 10945"><p>wjkk wjkf</p><p></p><p>In Gurbani the word 'Sant' is generally used for a person who can give guidance and direction to be taken on the path of Sikhi. The person being on the path can clear important points. Even where one reads a 'tika' of gurbani or an article or a book this amounts to acquisition of knowledge. During discussion also points are cleared .This knowledge is acquired when on is humble and open.For example if one is apt to show off in a discussion the learning points may go. A really knowledgeable person does not go about distributing gems . These are to be taken through an humble and open spirit. This is being 'Sant sarnee". This has limited purpose and the Sikh then moves on. <strong>For the Sikh there should be only "Shabad Guru's" sanctuary . </strong></p><p></p><p>The Babas or one in a religious garb should not be considered automatically a Sant as per gurbani. If he or she is able to offer knowledge then it is good and should be taken and then move on.</p><p></p><p>Now let us see the meaning of following Tuks .</p><p></p><p><strong>ਕਾਮਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਧਿ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ ਮਾਤੇ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Kām kroḏẖ ahaʼnkār māṯe vi▫āpi▫ā sansār. </strong></p><p><strong>The world is drunk, engrossed in sexual desire, anger and egotism.</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>ਪਉ ਸੰਤ ਸਰਣੀ ਲਾਗੁ ਚਰਣੀ ਮਿਟੈ ਦੂਖੁ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥੨॥ </strong></p><p><strong>Pa▫o sanṯ sarṇī lāg cẖarṇī mitai ḏūkẖ anḏẖār. ||2|| </strong></p><p><strong>Seek the Sanctuary of the Saints, and fall at their feet; your suffering and darkness shall be removed. ||2||</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p></p><p>In the world there lust, anger and egotism<strong> a</strong>re wide spread. These are also the cause of suffering. A way out of the misery perpetuated by these is being shown. The gurbani guides one to seek a 'Sant' who would clarify the path . The darkness of knowledge gives way to light which is the path of Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>When we see the next pungtees the path of Sikhi is being Shown. Sikhi is to find God and to live with God.</p><p></p><p>The last two pungtees of the Shabad say :</p><p></p><p>ਜੋ<strong> ਦੀਸੈ ਸੋ ਸਗਲ ਤੂੰਹੈ ਪਸਰਿਆ ਪਾਸਾਰੁ ॥ </strong></p><p><strong>Jo ḏīsai so sagal ṯūʼnhai pasri▫ā pāsār. </strong></p><p><strong>All that is seen is You, Lord, throughout the expanse.</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਾਟਿਆ ਸਗਲ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੨੫॥੯੫॥ </strong></p><p><strong>Kaho Nānak gur bẖaram kāti▫ā sagal barahm bīcẖār. ||4||25||95|| </strong></p><p><strong>Says Nanak, the Guru has removed my illusion through Bichar(contemplation) that all is Brahm(God). ||4||25||95||</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p>Here i have changed the translation to more correct translation. This is a word of caution we should not take the translation to be literally true but compare and contemplate to reach at the proper translation and meaning with a faith that Shabad Guru being <em>ang sang </em>ever guides.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gur_meet, post: 179374, member: 10945"] wjkk wjkf In Gurbani the word 'Sant' is generally used for a person who can give guidance and direction to be taken on the path of Sikhi. The person being on the path can clear important points. Even where one reads a 'tika' of gurbani or an article or a book this amounts to acquisition of knowledge. During discussion also points are cleared .This knowledge is acquired when on is humble and open.For example if one is apt to show off in a discussion the learning points may go. A really knowledgeable person does not go about distributing gems . These are to be taken through an humble and open spirit. This is being 'Sant sarnee". This has limited purpose and the Sikh then moves on. [B]For the Sikh there should be only "Shabad Guru's" sanctuary . [/B] The Babas or one in a religious garb should not be considered automatically a Sant as per gurbani. If he or she is able to offer knowledge then it is good and should be taken and then move on. Now let us see the meaning of following Tuks . [B]ਕਾਮਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਧਿ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ ਮਾਤੇ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ Kām kroḏẖ ahaʼnkār māṯe vi▫āpi▫ā sansār. The world is drunk, engrossed in sexual desire, anger and egotism. ਪਉ ਸੰਤ ਸਰਣੀ ਲਾਗੁ ਚਰਣੀ ਮਿਟੈ ਦੂਖੁ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥੨॥ Pa▫o sanṯ sarṇī lāg cẖarṇī mitai ḏūkẖ anḏẖār. ||2|| Seek the Sanctuary of the Saints, and fall at their feet; your suffering and darkness shall be removed. ||2|| [/B] In the world there lust, anger and egotism[B] a[/B]re wide spread. These are also the cause of suffering. A way out of the misery perpetuated by these is being shown. The gurbani guides one to seek a 'Sant' who would clarify the path . The darkness of knowledge gives way to light which is the path of Sikhi. When we see the next pungtees the path of Sikhi is being Shown. Sikhi is to find God and to live with God. The last two pungtees of the Shabad say : ਜੋ[B] ਦੀਸੈ ਸੋ ਸਗਲ ਤੂੰਹੈ ਪਸਰਿਆ ਪਾਸਾਰੁ ॥ Jo ḏīsai so sagal ṯūʼnhai pasri▫ā pāsār. All that is seen is You, Lord, throughout the expanse. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਾਟਿਆ ਸਗਲ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੨੫॥੯੫॥ Kaho Nānak gur bẖaram kāti▫ā sagal barahm bīcẖār. ||4||25||95|| Says Nanak, the Guru has removed my illusion through Bichar(contemplation) that all is Brahm(God). ||4||25||95|| [/B] Here i have changed the translation to more correct translation. This is a word of caution we should not take the translation to be literally true but compare and contemplate to reach at the proper translation and meaning with a faith that Shabad Guru being [I]ang sang [/I]ever guides. [/QUOTE]
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