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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 97656" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Respected VSGREWAL Ji</strong></p><p> <strong>With all due respect, I have a question for you in this context but before I ask it let me share with you my agreement on the following</strong></p><p> <strong>“ it is up to us to change”</strong></p><p> <strong>Is it really in our hands, let’s see what Guru Nanak says, though only those will accept him who believe in him</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਖਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚੁਪੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Ākẖaṇ jor cẖupai nah jor.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">I have no power to speak and no power to remain silent.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੰਗਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Jor na mangaṇ ḏeṇ na jor.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">I have no power to beg and no power to give.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਵਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Jor na jīvaṇ maraṇ nah jor.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">I have no strength to live and no strength to die.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਜਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋਰੁ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Jor na rāj māl man sor.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">I have no strength to acquire empire and wealth, which stir up a commotion in the mind.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁਰਤੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਿਆਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੀਚਾਰਿ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Jor na surṯī gi▫ān vīcẖār.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">I have no power to gain understanding of Divine Knowledge and Lord's meditation.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੁਗਤੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛੁਟੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਸਾਰੁ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Jor na jugṯī cẖẖutai sansār.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">I have no power to find the way to escape from the world.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਥਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੇਖੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋਇ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Jis hath jor kar vekẖai so▫e.[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">He, in whose hand the power is, exercises and beholds it.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਤਮੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨੀਚੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋਇ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩੩</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Nānak uṯam nīcẖ na ko▫e. ||33||[/FONT] </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">O Nanak! By one's own strength, none can be good or bad.</span></strong></p><p> <strong>Here is Guru Nanak, he disagrees with us, we can try, we can fail then again we can try, that is what we have. In a nut shell, we can do our effort to change by battling with our ego, anger, lust and greed etc but ultimate fruit is not in our hands as per Guru Nanak.</strong></p><p> <strong>Seekr3 has posted nice views, right? You have felt very good about that. I was once telling him not to criticize Sikhism because it is the people who are responsible for bad behavior not the Sikhism. I also gave example how people misused communism though it was based on welfare of the workers. His reaction was the following words</strong></p><p> <strong>“ I give up, are you happy now?”</strong></p><p><strong> Now tell me does this show that the writer of the above post stands by what he says?</strong></p><p> <strong>He often criticizes Sikhism, he thinks Guru Nanak wrote in Hindi, if someone tried to explain him that Hindi is not a script, he found difficulty to accept the truth and he wants photocopy of Guru Nanak’s writing. <u>So he, like all others whom he targets, just preaches.</u> This is the tool of people to sound right, <u>who really change, only Almighty knows</u>. Who are the Sikhs that say that Sikhism is the final way out to spiritually? If some people have opinions, they are entitled to it. Why is he generalizing? True Sikhs do not get into such low debate as Gurbani prohibits criticism of His devotees of the faith.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong>Regards</strong></p><p><strong>G Singh</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 97656, member: 5889"] [B]Respected VSGREWAL Ji[/B] [B]With all due respect, I have a question for you in this context but before I ask it let me share with you my agreement on the following[/B] [B]“ it is up to us to change”[/B] [B]Is it really in our hands, let’s see what Guru Nanak says, though only those will accept him who believe in him[/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਆਖਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਚੁਪੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Ākẖaṇ jor cẖupai nah jor.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]I have no power to speak and no power to remain silent.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੰਗਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Jor na mangaṇ ḏeṇ na jor.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]I have no power to beg and no power to give.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਵਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Jor na jīvaṇ maraṇ nah jor.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]I have no strength to live and no strength to die.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਜਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Jor na rāj māl man sor.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]I have no strength to acquire empire and wealth, which stir up a commotion in the mind.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁਰਤੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਗਿਆਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਵੀਚਾਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Jor na surṯī gi▫ān vīcẖār.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]I have no power to gain understanding of Divine Knowledge and Lord's meditation.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੁਗਤੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਛੁਟੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਸਾਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Jor na jugṯī cẖẖutai sansār.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]I have no power to find the way to escape from the world.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਥਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਵੇਖੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Jis hath jor kar vekẖai so▫e.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]He, in whose hand the power is, exercises and beholds it.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਤਮੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਨੀਚੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੋਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੩੩[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B]Nānak uṯam nīcẖ na ko▫e. ||33||[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]O Nanak! By one's own strength, none can be good or bad.[/COLOR][/B] [B]Here is Guru Nanak, he disagrees with us, we can try, we can fail then again we can try, that is what we have. In a nut shell, we can do our effort to change by battling with our ego, anger, lust and greed etc but ultimate fruit is not in our hands as per Guru Nanak.[/B] [B]Seekr3 has posted nice views, right? You have felt very good about that. I was once telling him not to criticize Sikhism because it is the people who are responsible for bad behavior not the Sikhism. I also gave example how people misused communism though it was based on welfare of the workers. His reaction was the following words[/B] [B]“ I give up, are you happy now?”[/B] [B] Now tell me does this show that the writer of the above post stands by what he says?[/B] [B]He often criticizes Sikhism, he thinks Guru Nanak wrote in Hindi, if someone tried to explain him that Hindi is not a script, he found difficulty to accept the truth and he wants photocopy of Guru Nanak’s writing. [U]So he, like all others whom he targets, just preaches.[/U] This is the tool of people to sound right, [U]who really change, only Almighty knows[/U]. Who are the Sikhs that say that Sikhism is the final way out to spiritually? If some people have opinions, they are entitled to it. Why is he generalizing? True Sikhs do not get into such low debate as Gurbani prohibits criticism of His devotees of the faith.:)[/B] [B]Regards[/B] [B]G Singh [/B] [/QUOTE]
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