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Responding To The Objections Raised By Sahil Ji
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<blockquote data-quote="simpy" data-source="post: 52822" data-attributes="member: 9395"><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Respected Saadh Sangat Ji,</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Please forgive me for causing any inconvenience.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Responding to the Objections Raised by Respected Sahil Makkar Ji</span></span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">His Claims, Objections and my Observations and Response: </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">1.</span></span></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">(SAHIL MAKKAR SAYS)You have to see God before you can do real Naam Simran.</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My response: GURBANI IS NIRANKAAR. What else he is trying to prove us? We have our Guru-“THE LIVING JOTE” what else we need to see?</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru and Nirankaar is always with everybody, NOW IF SOMEONE CANNOT SEE, NOBODY ELSE CAN GIVE THEIR OWN GLASSES TO THE OTHER PERSON TO SEE IT. WE CAN ONLY SHARE OUR EXPERIENCE.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And as Gurbani says, to see the truth we need to come under Guru/God’s Hukam.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">swcw swihbu swcu nwie BwiKAw Bwau Apwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">AwKih mMgih dyih dyih dwiq kry dwqwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Pyir ik AgY rKIAY ijqu idsY drbwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">muhO ik bolxu bolIAY ijqu suix Dry ipAwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">AMimRq vylw scu nwau vifAweI vIcwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">krmI AwvY kpVw ndrI moKu duAwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">nwnk eyvY jwxIAY sBu Awpy sicAwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">i can go on and on…….</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Gurbani tells everything in very clear words, NOW IF SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO READ AND SEE THAT ME NEECH CANNOT DO ANYTHING, INFACT NOBODY ELSE CAN DO ANYTHING……</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">2.</span></span></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">He claims to be a BrahmGyani. (ALL HIS POSTS ARE CRYING OUT LOUD-I KNOW EVERYTHING, YOU ALL DON’T)</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My Response: i am not seeing any quality of a Brahgyani in him(again solely my observation). </span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib Says: </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI kY DIrju eyk ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">i do not see dheeraj even anywhere near him. Look at how restless he is to get an answer, where all my posts are clearly stating everything. Well Saadh Sangat Ji, is this a LAKSHAN OF A BRAHMGYANI AS HE IS CLAIMIMG TO BE?????</span></span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI kY nwhI AiBmwn ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI bMDn qy mukqw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And he wants others to respond so that he can continue…</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Isn’t </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI eyk aUpir Aws ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI kw nhI ibnws ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI kY grIbI smwhw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI praupkwr aumwhw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI kY nwhI DMDw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI ly Dwvqu bMDw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI kY hoie su Blw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI suPl Plw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bRhm igAwnI sMig sgl auDwru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">nwnk bRhm igAwnI jpY sgl sMswru ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Anyways it is all his own problems; nobody can free anybody from the shackles of Maya but Waheguru.</span></span></strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong><span style="color: blue">Again my oservation: he does not understand Gurmukhi and all this knowledge of Gurbani he claims to have is borrowed. Saadh Sangat Ji he claims to be an ALL KNOWER, how long it can take to an all knower to learn a language(Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji knew many languages so perfectly). Before one uses Gurbani to prove his/her point, i think it is very essential that one must have read ALL GURBANI-</span></strong></span></span></strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong><span style="color: blue">PURE GUR KI PURI DIKHEYAA......</span></strong></span></span></strong></span><strong><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3. He used a few Lines from certain Shabads and plainly used them to prove his own points: </span></span></span></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">what happens when a true Saint comes into our life.</span></span></span></strong></li> </ul><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My response: There is a lot of times Guru Sahibaan has mentioned in Gurbani- WE HAVE TO FOLLOW GURU’S TEACHINGS, OTHERWISE NOTHING:</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Like:</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">syvk isK pUjx siB Awvih siB gwvih hir hir aUqm bwnI ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">gwivAw suixAw iqn kw hir Qwie pwvY ijn siqgur kI AwigAw siq siq kir mwnI ]1]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">bolhu BweI hir kIriq hir Bvjl qIriQ ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">hir dir iqn kI aUqm bwq hY sMqhu hir kQw ijn jnhu jwnI ] rhwau ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Awpy guru cylw hY Awpy Awpy hir pRBu coj ivfwnI ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jn nwnk Awip imlwey soeI hir imlsI Avr sB iqAwig Ehw hir BwnI ]2]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">and many more times…</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">He is totally ignoring all that goes against his own theory. </span></span></span></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">You have to see God before real naam simran happens.</span></span></span></strong></li> </ul><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My response: repeating again- Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Nirankaar- Bani is Nirankaar…….</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">What else proof do we need, If others cannot see that nobody can help…..</span></span></span></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">He was supporting Respected Balbir Ji, for disrespecting the Kirtan Pratha. He was supporting his theory that outer Kirtan is not important, you have to see God to listen to real Kirtan.</span></span></span></strong></li> </ul><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My response: Again Bani is Nirankaar and all the true Sikhs respect Kirtan, every society, every faith has people who misuse certain traditions, so we also have some people who do, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE KIRTAN NOT-SACRED. </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">kir ikrpw sMqn scu kihAw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">srb sUK iehu Awnµdu lihAw ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">swDsMig hir kIrqnu gweIAY ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">khu nwnk vfBwgI pweIAY ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">hir kIrqnu suxY hir kIrqnu gwvY ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 12px">iqsu jn dUKu inkit nhI AwvY ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">May i ask Saadh Sangat Ji, if real Kirtan is being listened deep within (inside) by Sahil Ji, why is he so so so anxiously waiting for my reply????? i know and in my case(forgive me please) it does not take me more than nine seconds to know the response, other person says/writes it or not…………and I am not even close to a Brahmgyani, just a learner myself, only trying to do GURU JI DI SEVA WITHOUT ANY SELF INTEREST.</span></span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">THIS IS ALL SAADH SANGAT JI,</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">PLEASE FORGIVE ME.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>FOR SIKHS PERFECT MASTER IS DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI............</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>----------------------------------------</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simpy, post: 52822, member: 9395"] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Respected Saadh Sangat Ji,[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Please forgive me for causing any inconvenience.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Verdana][B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Responding to the Objections Raised by Respected Sahil Makkar Ji[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]His Claims, Objections and my Observations and Response: [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]1.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue](SAHIL MAKKAR SAYS)You have to see God before you can do real Naam Simran.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]My response: GURBANI IS NIRANKAAR. What else he is trying to prove us? We have our Guru-“THE LIVING JOTE” what else we need to see?[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Guru and Nirankaar is always with everybody, NOW IF SOMEONE CANNOT SEE, NOBODY ELSE CAN GIVE THEIR OWN GLASSES TO THE OTHER PERSON TO SEE IT. WE CAN ONLY SHARE OUR EXPERIENCE.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]And as Gurbani says, to see the truth we need to come under Guru/God’s Hukam.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]swcw swihbu swcu nwie BwiKAw Bwau Apwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]AwKih mMgih dyih dyih dwiq kry dwqwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]Pyir ik AgY rKIAY ijqu idsY drbwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]muhO ik bolxu bolIAY ijqu suix Dry ipAwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]AMimRq vylw scu nwau vifAweI vIcwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]krmI AwvY kpVw ndrI moKu duAwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]nwnk eyvY jwxIAY sBu Awpy sicAwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]i can go on and on…….[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Gurbani tells everything in very clear words, NOW IF SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO READ AND SEE THAT ME NEECH CANNOT DO ANYTHING, INFACT NOBODY ELSE CAN DO ANYTHING……[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]2.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]He claims to be a BrahmGyani. (ALL HIS POSTS ARE CRYING OUT LOUD-I KNOW EVERYTHING, YOU ALL DON’T)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]My Response: i am not seeing any quality of a Brahgyani in him(again solely my observation). [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Guru Sahib Says: [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI kY DIrju eyk ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Verdana][B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]i do not see dheeraj even anywhere near him. Look at how restless he is to get an answer, where all my posts are clearly stating everything. Well Saadh Sangat Ji, is this a LAKSHAN OF A BRAHMGYANI AS HE IS CLAIMIMG TO BE?????[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI kY nwhI AiBmwn ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI bMDn qy mukqw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]And he wants others to respond so that he can continue…[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Isn’t [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI eyk aUpir Aws ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI kw nhI ibnws ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI kY grIbI smwhw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI praupkwr aumwhw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI kY nwhI DMDw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI ly Dwvqu bMDw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI kY hoie su Blw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI suPl Plw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bRhm igAwnI sMig sgl auDwru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]nwnk bRhm igAwnI jpY sgl sMswru ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Verdana][B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Anyways it is all his own problems; nobody can free anybody from the shackles of Maya but Waheguru.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][B][COLOR=blue]Again my oservation: he does not understand Gurmukhi and all this knowledge of Gurbani he claims to have is borrowed. Saadh Sangat Ji he claims to be an ALL KNOWER, how long it can take to an all knower to learn a language(Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji knew many languages so perfectly). Before one uses Gurbani to prove his/her point, i think it is very essential that one must have read ALL GURBANI-[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][B][COLOR=blue]PURE GUR KI PURI DIKHEYAA......[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT][B][COLOR=#0000ff] [/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]3. He used a few Lines from certain Shabads and plainly used them to prove his own points: [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]what happens when a true Saint comes into our life.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LIST][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]My response: There is a lot of times Guru Sahibaan has mentioned in Gurbani- WE HAVE TO FOLLOW GURU’S TEACHINGS, OTHERWISE NOTHING:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]Like:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]syvk isK pUjx siB Awvih siB gwvih hir hir aUqm bwnI ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]gwivAw suixAw iqn kw hir Qwie pwvY ijn siqgur kI AwigAw siq siq kir mwnI ]1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]bolhu BweI hir kIriq hir Bvjl qIriQ ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]hir dir iqn kI aUqm bwq hY sMqhu hir kQw ijn jnhu jwnI ] rhwau ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]Awpy guru cylw hY Awpy Awpy hir pRBu coj ivfwnI ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]jn nwnk Awip imlwey soeI hir imlsI Avr sB iqAwig Ehw hir BwnI ]2][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]and many more times…[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]He is totally ignoring all that goes against his own theory. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]You have to see God before real naam simran happens.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LIST][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]My response: repeating again- Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Nirankaar- Bani is Nirankaar…….[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]What else proof do we need, If others cannot see that nobody can help…..[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]He was supporting Respected Balbir Ji, for disrespecting the Kirtan Pratha. He was supporting his theory that outer Kirtan is not important, you have to see God to listen to real Kirtan.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LIST][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]My response: Again Bani is Nirankaar and all the true Sikhs respect Kirtan, every society, every faith has people who misuse certain traditions, so we also have some people who do, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE KIRTAN NOT-SACRED. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]kir ikrpw sMqn scu kihAw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]srb sUK iehu Awnµdu lihAw ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]swDsMig hir kIrqnu gweIAY ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]khu nwnk vfBwgI pweIAY ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]hir kIrqnu suxY hir kIrqnu gwvY ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=3]iqsu jn dUKu inkit nhI AwvY ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Verdana][B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]May i ask Saadh Sangat Ji, if real Kirtan is being listened deep within (inside) by Sahil Ji, why is he so so so anxiously waiting for my reply????? i know and in my case(forgive me please) it does not take me more than nine seconds to know the response, other person says/writes it or not…………and I am not even close to a Brahmgyani, just a learner myself, only trying to do GURU JI DI SEVA WITHOUT ANY SELF INTEREST.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]THIS IS ALL SAADH SANGAT JI,[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]PLEASE FORGIVE ME.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=blue][B]FOR SIKHS PERFECT MASTER IS DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI............[/B][/COLOR] ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- [/QUOTE]
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