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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 133723" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Findingway ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p>I am not learned as Gyani ji but please allow me to give my 2 cent worth. Before we do that, I want to commend you for thinking out aloud and sharing your thirst to understand Gurbani or shall we put it to enjoy this multifaceted beautiful diamond. In order to do that, let's go back to the Shabad.</p><p></p><p>ਟੋਡੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਮਾਈ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਸੁਖੁ ॥ ਕੋਟਿ ਅਨੰਦ ਰਾਜ ਸੁਖੁ ਭੁਗਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਸਭ ਦੁਖੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ </p><p></p><p>Hey Mum,my mind is content, serene, at peace. It is so much at peace that it seems like as if I have reigned (as a caring King) on millions of kingdoms. I have found the true connection with Ik Ong Kaar which has made me bear all my pains with a smile as if they never existed.</p><p></p><p>Rahao is the nectar of the flower and rest of the verses act like petals. So, the main idea is that once we find the true connection with The Source, the world becomes a blissful place.</p><p></p><p>ਕੋਟਿ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਨਾਸਹਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਤਨ ਮਨ ਸੁਖ ॥</p><p></p><p>Here is the twist. If we see the above verse in a literal sense then we admit (without any proof of course) that I have been a bad bad boy for millions of my previous lives which are unknown to me. I have no knowledge of these lives. Now the question arises that if I have been bad then by whose fault? Where was my Father- Ik Ong Kaar- then? Why did not He guide me towards the right path? After all it was His duty. Wasn't it? and Isn't it?</p><p></p><p>Now, if we take the above in a metaphorical manner then we can see this facet of the diamond through a completely different light.</p><p></p><p>So, let's try that. Shall we?</p><p></p><p>Mum, let me share another thing with you. I have come to the realisation that I have made millions of mistakes in my life. The admittance came after I found the connection with the ONE. And now due to this connection, I have been able to learn from my mistakes which has given me serenity, peace and it has taken all my guilts away. Finally, I am at peace with myself.</p><p></p><p> ਦੇਖਿ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਪੂਰਨੁ ਭਈ ਆਸਾ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਭੇਟਤ ਉਤਰੀ ਭੁਖ ॥੧॥ </p><p></p><p>Mum, the connection is so strong that I can feel it in all the pores of my body and hence, my hunger for the worldly futile things has been taken care of. It is satiated. In other words, due to this connection with The Source, I have been able to lasso the five thieves.</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਚਾਰਿ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਅਸਟ ਮਹਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਕਾਮਧੇਨੁ ਪਾਰਜਾਤ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰੁਖੁ ॥</p><p></p><p>The above is all about Hindu mythology as you have explained it so well in your post.</p><p></p><p> ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਨਿ ਗਹੀ ਸੁਖ ਸਾਗਰ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਰਭ ਨ ਧੁਖੁ ॥੨॥੧੦॥੨੯॥ </p><p></p><p>Again, the above verse talks about multiple things. In literal sense, it seems as if Guru Sahib is talking about mother's pains in giving birth and then more pains due to the premature death of the child ( the norm is that our parents die before we do due to the age) and this cycle repeats itself non stop.</p><p></p><p>But that is not the case. If we go back and check the Rahao, it mentions about our peace of mind and serenity.</p><p></p><p>Oh, Nanak. The one who has found the true connection with Ik Ong Kaar and has found peace in oneself, he/she does not have to feel the pains as a mother does when she gives births.</p><p></p><p>ttoddee mehalaa 5 ||</p><p>maaee maerae man ko sukh ||</p><p>kott ana(n)dh raaj sukh bhugavai har simarath binasai sabh dhukh ||1|| rehaao ||</p><p>kott janam kae kilabikh naasehi simarath paavan than man sukh ||</p><p>dhaekh saroop pooran bhee aasaa dharasan bhaettath outharee bhukh ||1||</p><p>chaar padhaarathh asatt mehaa sidhh kaamadhhaen paarajaath har har rukh ||</p><p>naanak saran gehee sukh saagar janam maran fir garabh n dhhukh ||2||10||29||</p><p></p><p></p><p>Jasleen ji,</p><p></p><p>You are right. This Shabad has nothing to do with reincarnation but all to do with the connection with Ik Ong Kaar. </p><p></p><p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 133723, member: 138"] Findingway ji, Guru Fateh. I am not learned as Gyani ji but please allow me to give my 2 cent worth. Before we do that, I want to commend you for thinking out aloud and sharing your thirst to understand Gurbani or shall we put it to enjoy this multifaceted beautiful diamond. In order to do that, let's go back to the Shabad. ਟੋਡੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਮਾਈ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਸੁਖੁ ॥ ਕੋਟਿ ਅਨੰਦ ਰਾਜ ਸੁਖੁ ਭੁਗਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਸਭ ਦੁਖੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Hey Mum,my mind is content, serene, at peace. It is so much at peace that it seems like as if I have reigned (as a caring King) on millions of kingdoms. I have found the true connection with Ik Ong Kaar which has made me bear all my pains with a smile as if they never existed. Rahao is the nectar of the flower and rest of the verses act like petals. So, the main idea is that once we find the true connection with The Source, the world becomes a blissful place. ਕੋਟਿ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਨਾਸਹਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਤਨ ਮਨ ਸੁਖ ॥ Here is the twist. If we see the above verse in a literal sense then we admit (without any proof of course) that I have been a bad bad boy for millions of my previous lives which are unknown to me. I have no knowledge of these lives. Now the question arises that if I have been bad then by whose fault? Where was my Father- Ik Ong Kaar- then? Why did not He guide me towards the right path? After all it was His duty. Wasn't it? and Isn't it? Now, if we take the above in a metaphorical manner then we can see this facet of the diamond through a completely different light. So, let's try that. Shall we? Mum, let me share another thing with you. I have come to the realisation that I have made millions of mistakes in my life. The admittance came after I found the connection with the ONE. And now due to this connection, I have been able to learn from my mistakes which has given me serenity, peace and it has taken all my guilts away. Finally, I am at peace with myself. ਦੇਖਿ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਪੂਰਨੁ ਭਈ ਆਸਾ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਭੇਟਤ ਉਤਰੀ ਭੁਖ ॥੧॥ Mum, the connection is so strong that I can feel it in all the pores of my body and hence, my hunger for the worldly futile things has been taken care of. It is satiated. In other words, due to this connection with The Source, I have been able to lasso the five thieves. ਚਾਰਿ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਅਸਟ ਮਹਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਕਾਮਧੇਨੁ ਪਾਰਜਾਤ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰੁਖੁ ॥ The above is all about Hindu mythology as you have explained it so well in your post. ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਨਿ ਗਹੀ ਸੁਖ ਸਾਗਰ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਰਭ ਨ ਧੁਖੁ ॥੨॥੧੦॥੨੯॥ Again, the above verse talks about multiple things. In literal sense, it seems as if Guru Sahib is talking about mother's pains in giving birth and then more pains due to the premature death of the child ( the norm is that our parents die before we do due to the age) and this cycle repeats itself non stop. But that is not the case. If we go back and check the Rahao, it mentions about our peace of mind and serenity. Oh, Nanak. The one who has found the true connection with Ik Ong Kaar and has found peace in oneself, he/she does not have to feel the pains as a mother does when she gives births. ttoddee mehalaa 5 || maaee maerae man ko sukh || kott ana(n)dh raaj sukh bhugavai har simarath binasai sabh dhukh ||1|| rehaao || kott janam kae kilabikh naasehi simarath paavan than man sukh || dhaekh saroop pooran bhee aasaa dharasan bhaettath outharee bhukh ||1|| chaar padhaarathh asatt mehaa sidhh kaamadhhaen paarajaath har har rukh || naanak saran gehee sukh saagar janam maran fir garabh n dhhukh ||2||10||29|| Jasleen ji, You are right. This Shabad has nothing to do with reincarnation but all to do with the connection with Ik Ong Kaar. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]
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