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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 132417" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p><strong>Re: An informal critique of Dr. Baldev Singh's article plus a discussion of things brought up in the thread.</strong></p><p></p><p>Narayanjot kaur ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, its quite clear from the article that he is a scientist. He does use good logic but I am afraid his interpretations may not be correct. Many verses he presents have scientific overtones. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, I'll read his material.</p><p>Not at all. I said Sri Guru Granth Sahib does not mention or discuss it. Am I sure that it does not mention it? Nope.</p><p></p><p>I have mentioned before, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the discipline of Bhagati (Bhakti Yog) seems to be the prescribed method for obtaining God's Grace, which then leads to liberation. </p><p></p><p>In Bhakti Movement, this is a prevalent thought. Not in other schools though. Some Hindu schools even consider Bhagati as inferior, instead they might advocate for Royal Discipline of Meditation (Raj Yog).</p><p></p><p>Also important to note: Bhakti Yog is a bit different in Sikhism. Look at this list of "ways of Bhakti", Sri Guru Granth Sahib does <strong>not</strong> advocate all of them.</p><p><em>"(1) śravaṇa("listening" to the scriptural stories of Kṛṣṇa/God and his companions), (2) </em><em>kīrtana ("praising", usually refers to ecstatic group singing), (3) </em><em>simaraṇa ("remembering" or fixing the mind on Viṣṇu/God), (4) </em><em>pāda-sevana (rendering service), (5) </em><em>arcana (worshiping an image), (6) </em><em>vandana (paying homage), (7) </em><em>dāsya (servitude), (8. </em><em>sākhya (friendship), and (9) </em><em>ātma-nivedana (self-surrender). (from </em><em>Bhagata Purana, 7.5.23-24)</em>"</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, reincarnation is not always progressive. Only good karma and the following can lead to progression and thus Mukti:</p><p>Bhakti Yog(Sikhism, Bhakti Movement, Sufism) </p><p>Raj Yog (Advaita Vedanta, Vishishtadvaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Zen Buddhism)</p><p></p><p>Yes, I understand that completely.</p><p></p><p>The verses in Dr. Baldev Singh ji's article?</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well in that case, you should see what has been answered, what still needs to be answered. And then we can start researching from there.</p><p>------------------</p><p></p><p>We have to be honest here.. yes we have our own interpretations of things but it ultimately comes from a scientific mindset . Such a mindset with knowledge of latest scientific discoveries was not present during Guru Nanak's time. And to attribute the discoveries to ancient texts whether its the Bible, Quran or even something more modern as Sri Guru Granth Sahib, is kind of dishonest. </p><p>Yes, on a personal level one could believe those interpretations, but ultimately, if we are to find out exactly what Guru Nanak Dev ji meant, we are going to have to consider the influences and conditions of his time. </p><p>We have to learn to recognize and abandon all the assumptions we make knowingly or unknowingly, when analyzing such texts. Problem is that shunning some of the assumptions is seen as "disrespectful"... if you get the gist.</p><p>We are also going to have to consider what was known during that time. E.g. we should not interpret verses to describe Higg's Uncertainty Principle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 132417, member: 2610"] [b]Re: An informal critique of Dr. Baldev Singh's article plus a discussion of things brought up in the thread.[/b] Narayanjot kaur ji, Yes, its quite clear from the article that he is a scientist. He does use good logic but I am afraid his interpretations may not be correct. Many verses he presents have scientific overtones. Sure, I'll read his material. Not at all. I said Sri Guru Granth Sahib does not mention or discuss it. Am I sure that it does not mention it? Nope. I have mentioned before, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the discipline of Bhagati (Bhakti Yog) seems to be the prescribed method for obtaining God's Grace, which then leads to liberation. In Bhakti Movement, this is a prevalent thought. Not in other schools though. Some Hindu schools even consider Bhagati as inferior, instead they might advocate for Royal Discipline of Meditation (Raj Yog). Also important to note: Bhakti Yog is a bit different in Sikhism. Look at this list of "ways of Bhakti", Sri Guru Granth Sahib does [B]not[/B] advocate all of them. [I]"(1) śravaṇa("listening" to the scriptural stories of Kṛṣṇa/God and his companions), (2) [/I][I]kīrtana ("praising", usually refers to ecstatic group singing), (3) [/I][I]simaraṇa ("remembering" or fixing the mind on Viṣṇu/God), (4) [/I][I]pāda-sevana (rendering service), (5) [/I][I]arcana (worshiping an image), (6) [/I][I]vandana (paying homage), (7) [/I][I]dāsya (servitude), (8. [/I][I]sākhya (friendship), and (9) [/I][I]ātma-nivedana (self-surrender). (from [/I][I]Bhagata Purana, 7.5.23-24)[/I]" No, reincarnation is not always progressive. Only good karma and the following can lead to progression and thus Mukti: Bhakti Yog(Sikhism, Bhakti Movement, Sufism) Raj Yog (Advaita Vedanta, Vishishtadvaita Vedanta, Buddhism, Zen Buddhism) Yes, I understand that completely. The verses in Dr. Baldev Singh ji's article? Well in that case, you should see what has been answered, what still needs to be answered. And then we can start researching from there. ------------------ We have to be honest here.. yes we have our own interpretations of things but it ultimately comes from a scientific mindset . Such a mindset with knowledge of latest scientific discoveries was not present during Guru Nanak's time. And to attribute the discoveries to ancient texts whether its the Bible, Quran or even something more modern as Sri Guru Granth Sahib, is kind of dishonest. Yes, on a personal level one could believe those interpretations, but ultimately, if we are to find out exactly what Guru Nanak Dev ji meant, we are going to have to consider the influences and conditions of his time. We have to learn to recognize and abandon all the assumptions we make knowingly or unknowingly, when analyzing such texts. Problem is that shunning some of the assumptions is seen as "disrespectful"... if you get the gist. We are also going to have to consider what was known during that time. E.g. we should not interpret verses to describe Higg's Uncertainty Principle. [/QUOTE]
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