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Solhe (1020-1033)
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Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
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Chhant (1236-1237)
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Gurbani (1254-1293)
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Chhant (1278)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
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Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
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<blockquote data-quote="dattaswami" data-source="post: 13760" data-attributes="member: 1315"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Why have you superimposed your face on that of past incarnations? Will that not shock sincere devotees of other incarnations or religions? No other incarnation in the past did such a thing. </span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">============================</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">One of the friends of My devotee also asked a similar question and I was thinking to answer this. The original background was different. </span><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">When some of My devotees were fortunate to have some visions on seeing Me, a point was noted by them. In all those visions the face was My face only.</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"> The devotees who did not have such visions were anxious to hear about the visions from the other devotees. Based on the explanations some devotees decorated My face in different forms so that the other devotees may have some satisfaction by seeing the visions indirectly. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Originally these photos were restricted to the circle of My devotees only. When the Universal Spirituality was started as a Mission, My devotees suggested using these photos. I agreed based on one concept, i.e., when the same face is present in all the pictures it would give a psychological impression that the same God appeared in different forms. The face is the real identity of a person. Unfortunately, the pictures of various deities and incarnations were only the imaginary drawings of artists. But, they included different faces in these imaginary diagrams. This will give an unconscious impression that the deities and incarnations are quite different and the idea of one God does not become strong. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">I have super imposed My face on the faces of deities and incarnations for whom the real photos were not present. Don’t you think that a real face is better than the imaginary face? My face and the imaginary faces on the photos are constituted by five elements only and there is no difference. I did not agree to super impose My face on the face of Shri Shirdi Sai Baba, because His real photo exists. For this concept of one God, this single face helps. This single real face need not be mine only. In fact you can also super impose your face in the faces of these deities and incarnations to explain that concept. It is only just a pictorial model. I will appreciate equally for two merits. 1) The face is real and not imaginary and truth is better than false imagination. 2) The face is single and this point does not exist in the imaginary faces. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">In the spiritual field the only two impurities, which are the two layers that cover our two eyes are egoism and jealousy. Nobody is exceptional in these two impurities. Sadhana is only the eye operation to remove these two layers from our two eyes. Then only one can accept the existence of God and finally accept the existence of God in Human incarnation. When two eyes are completely covered by these two layers, one does not accept even in the existence of God. If the two layers are partially operated, the human being accepts the existence of God but not the human incarnation. When these two layers are completely removed, the devotee recognizes the human incarnation like Hanuman recognizing Rama.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Because of these two layers many people did not recognize the human incarnations. Some recognized and respected but did not worship. A few recognized and also worshipped. Sometimes the human incarnation was also killed due to the intensity of these two layers as in the case of Lord Jesus. Lord Mohammed also had to fight with people constantly because He tried to unite the various sub-religions in Islam. Sankara was killed by black magic because He condemned all the sub-religions and united them. Swami Dayananda tried to bring out the real heart of Vedas and was killed by food poisoning. Therefore, we must carefully watch the various effects of these two layers present within us before we analyze the object. The subjective analysis is very important before the objective analysis. Sankara told that unless the mind is purified from these impurities (Chitta Suddhi), recognition of God and recognition of Human Incarnation finally (Jnana Yoga) is not possible. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I have answered not only your question but also the root of your question. Previously the super imposition of face might not have been done due to the absence of photography and computer graphics. However, when Hanuman did not agree Krishna as Rama, Krishna did the same computer graphics by His divine power and super imposed the face of Rama on His face. You may not believe if I say that the same face of Lord Krishna was decorated by the dress of the face of Rama. Due to change in the dress the face appears different. You will find this fact in My photos also. Actually, it is the same face but appears different due to different external dress. Thus the human body is only the external dress and the single actor present in all these roles is the same Lord. Hanuman could not recognize Krishna as Rama due to this external dress only. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">When we see a film actor in the role of Rama in the cinema, the devotees look him as Rama only. They do not see the inner actor but only the external role. But some people call him by the name of the actor and they see only the inner actor and not the external role. When the Lord comes as human incarnation the inner actor is the Lord and the outer role is the human being. This is just reverse of the above. In the case of human incarnation also the devotees see the Lord who is the inner actor and not the external role, which is the human being. But ordinary people see only the external human being and not the inner actor who is the Lord.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Therefore, whether it is the world drama or a drama in this world, devotees only look at the Lord and the other people only look at the human being. When I was decorated in the dress of the Lord, I told My devotees like this "The Lord is hidden in Me and wants to give the fame to this external human being. I am just reversing this point and brought out the inner Lord to outside in the form of this decoration and hidden Myself inside the decoration. I want to say that the inner hidden Lord must be seen by all of you, who has done all these wonderful things and you must give credit to the Lord only. The Lord hided the truth and I revealed the truth". </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ANIL ANTONY</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><a href="mailto:antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org">antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org</a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><a href="http://www.universal-spirituality.org" target="_blank">http://www.universal-spirituality.org</a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Universal Spirituality for World Peace</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dattaswami, post: 13760, member: 1315"] [B][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Why have you superimposed your face on that of past incarnations? Will that not shock sincere devotees of other incarnations or religions? No other incarnation in the past did such a thing. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]============================[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New']One of the friends of My devotee also asked a similar question and I was thinking to answer this. The original background was different. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT='Courier New']When some of My devotees were fortunate to have some visions on seeing Me, a point was noted by them. In all those visions the face was My face only.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'] The devotees who did not have such visions were anxious to hear about the visions from the other devotees. Based on the explanations some devotees decorated My face in different forms so that the other devotees may have some satisfaction by seeing the visions indirectly. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New']Originally these photos were restricted to the circle of My devotees only. When the Universal Spirituality was started as a Mission, My devotees suggested using these photos. I agreed based on one concept, i.e., when the same face is present in all the pictures it would give a psychological impression that the same God appeared in different forms. The face is the real identity of a person. Unfortunately, the pictures of various deities and incarnations were only the imaginary drawings of artists. But, they included different faces in these imaginary diagrams. This will give an unconscious impression that the deities and incarnations are quite different and the idea of one God does not become strong. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New']I have super imposed My face on the faces of deities and incarnations for whom the real photos were not present. Don’t you think that a real face is better than the imaginary face? My face and the imaginary faces on the photos are constituted by five elements only and there is no difference. I did not agree to super impose My face on the face of Shri Shirdi Sai Baba, because His real photo exists. For this concept of one God, this single face helps. This single real face need not be mine only. In fact you can also super impose your face in the faces of these deities and incarnations to explain that concept. It is only just a pictorial model. I will appreciate equally for two merits. 1) The face is real and not imaginary and truth is better than false imagination. 2) The face is single and this point does not exist in the imaginary faces. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]In the spiritual field the only two impurities, which are the two layers that cover our two eyes are egoism and jealousy. Nobody is exceptional in these two impurities. Sadhana is only the eye operation to remove these two layers from our two eyes. Then only one can accept the existence of God and finally accept the existence of God in Human incarnation. When two eyes are completely covered by these two layers, one does not accept even in the existence of God. If the two layers are partially operated, the human being accepts the existence of God but not the human incarnation. When these two layers are completely removed, the devotee recognizes the human incarnation like Hanuman recognizing Rama.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] Because of these two layers many people did not recognize the human incarnations. Some recognized and respected but did not worship. A few recognized and also worshipped. Sometimes the human incarnation was also killed due to the intensity of these two layers as in the case of Lord Jesus. Lord Mohammed also had to fight with people constantly because He tried to unite the various sub-religions in Islam. Sankara was killed by black magic because He condemned all the sub-religions and united them. Swami Dayananda tried to bring out the real heart of Vedas and was killed by food poisoning. Therefore, we must carefully watch the various effects of these two layers present within us before we analyze the object. The subjective analysis is very important before the objective analysis. Sankara told that unless the mind is purified from these impurities (Chitta Suddhi), recognition of God and recognition of Human Incarnation finally (Jnana Yoga) is not possible. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I have answered not only your question but also the root of your question. Previously the super imposition of face might not have been done due to the absence of photography and computer graphics. However, when Hanuman did not agree Krishna as Rama, Krishna did the same computer graphics by His divine power and super imposed the face of Rama on His face. You may not believe if I say that the same face of Lord Krishna was decorated by the dress of the face of Rama. Due to change in the dress the face appears different. You will find this fact in My photos also. Actually, it is the same face but appears different due to different external dress. Thus the human body is only the external dress and the single actor present in all these roles is the same Lord. Hanuman could not recognize Krishna as Rama due to this external dress only. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]When we see a film actor in the role of Rama in the cinema, the devotees look him as Rama only. They do not see the inner actor but only the external role. But some people call him by the name of the actor and they see only the inner actor and not the external role. When the Lord comes as human incarnation the inner actor is the Lord and the outer role is the human being. This is just reverse of the above. In the case of human incarnation also the devotees see the Lord who is the inner actor and not the external role, which is the human being. But ordinary people see only the external human being and not the inner actor who is the Lord.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] Therefore, whether it is the world drama or a drama in this world, devotees only look at the Lord and the other people only look at the human being. When I was decorated in the dress of the Lord, I told My devotees like this "The Lord is hidden in Me and wants to give the fame to this external human being. I am just reversing this point and brought out the inner Lord to outside in the form of this decoration and hidden Myself inside the decoration. I want to say that the inner hidden Lord must be seen by all of you, who has done all these wonderful things and you must give credit to the Lord only. The Lord hided the truth and I revealed the truth". [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Courier New'][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]ANIL ANTONY [EMAIL="antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org"]antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org[/EMAIL] [URL="http://www.universal-spirituality.org"]http://www.universal-spirituality.org[/URL] Universal Spirituality for World Peace[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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