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<blockquote data-quote="Chaan Pardesi" data-source="post: 158659" data-attributes="member: 7047"><p><IFRAME style="POSITION: absolute; WIDTH: 10px; HEIGHT: 10px; TOP: -9999em" id=twttrHubFrame tabIndex=0 src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/hub.1324331373.html" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no></IFRAME>This is the biggest attention seeking shosha that "Giani" Ikbal Singh Ji has ever exploded.I have been going over this sau sakhi in the British Library, there is no such thing as claimed by him on any of the pages within the book.He has done this to perhaps attract personal fame and attention as his personality has exhibited in the past an inferiority complex, when no attention is paid to him.I call upon him to prove where what he claims is said, where and what page of the book?</p><p> </p><p>A number books, including most chapters of the alledged dasam granth and 'sau sakhi' owe their origins to the bhats, from Agra and other unknown writers from the vedic period.These bhats were not the ones who Guru Nanak Ji had vichar with.These were commercial bhats, some of whom were envious of the court of Guru Gobind Singh, who they met as he passed them on way to Deccan.It is alos so ironic that for a 21st century religion and thought, Sikhs are still calmouring to the dasam granth without rationality, when all Bhai Mani Singh did was collect general reading literature from various sources.Then as if to twist the good fate of the Sikh religion someone binded all that into a book and attributed it to Guru Goibind Singh Ji, and Sikhs like fools are still arguing over it, when again and again it has been proven much of the literature,93% has absolutely NOTHING to do with Guru Gobind Singh ji or his stated philosophy.But the sadh factions to keep their iron grip over the Sikh minds and souls continue tp peddle these ill stories of sex and abuse as part of the Guru's message!Just how simple minded and easily led the community is often , is unbelievable.</p><p> </p><p>In the sau sakhi it also says that Guru Gobind Singh Jis' eldest sahibzada baba Ajit Singh Ji was married to a Tara Bhai, of Agra!That she gave birth to a son!!!</p><p> </p><p>This is in total conflict with Sikh faith and values recognised in Sikh history, as then the title of SARBANSDANI bestowed upon Guru Gobind Singh JI becomes null and void, as not the entire family becomes sacrificed!Only an anri Sikh mind can think as such.Today sadly we have many such nerds.</p><p> </p><p>If we believe the SAU Sakhi that Ikbal Singh has so michieviously used to support his claim [shosha]then, the so called son of Tara Bhai,who is then the so called daughter in law of Guru Gobind Singh was not the entire part of the family balidaan that Guru Gobind Singh ji has given to the Sikh panth.That would disqualify Guru JI from being a sarbansdani!Is this even thinkable?</p><p> </p><p>Such "theory"also expresses the preposterous peak of lies and distortion of Sikh Guru Sahibaan as the wedding is alledgedly supposed to have taken place after the battle of Anandpur Sahib; at Agra, as he was on his way to the Decaan!No where else in the recorded annals of Sikhs references is such recorded.</p><p> </p><p>Finally I shoot this theory down with the historically established and non controversial fact of Sikh history- THE AMRITPAAN OF ANANDPUR SAHIB in 1699 when the entire[ personal]family of Guru Gobind Singh Ji took amrit.</p><p> </p><p>The question arises , HOW CAN Baba Ajit Singh JI marry a "TARA BHAI"who it clearly appears from the name had NOT taken amrit?She was NOT a Kaur.This sounds very much like the Niranakari poet Alam's imagination of the wild idea that Guru Gobind Singh Ji lived till in 1934 under an assumed name; that was very much floating around a few ago. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Surely if Guru Gobind Singh was to make a "reappearance"in later years, it goes totally against his bani, as miracles have no place with a GURU who asked for boon to be granted from GOD;a Guru who would have been able to perform miracles to rule over his advesaries and spare the sacrifices and torture of his own father, family and thousands of Singhs.</p><p> </p><p>Finally, this melodramtic claim now clashes with Guru Gobind Singh Ji clear message, that clearly says, after he has departed from the worldly life, ONLY and only Guru GRanth sahib should be the GURU!Now surely,if he is alledgedly has "written that he will come back in 2012 - to 20 18, " would he have finalised the Sikh religion with Guru maniyo Granth?</p><p> </p><p>Having the greatest ability of super natural power,Guru Gobind Singh Ji does not exhibit any and speaks with the severe humility ;-</p><p> </p><p>Jo hum Ko pramesher uchre</p><p>te sabh narak kund me par he</p><p>Mo ko das tawan ka jano</p><p>ya main bhed n ranch pshano</p><p>main ho'n param purakh ka dasa</p><p>dekhan ayao jagat tamasha </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>He goes on with humilty, and effectivly sweetly, expressing in the most of humblest manners He says</p><p> </p><p>Inn hi ki kirpa ke saje'n hai'n </p><p>nahi mo so gareeb karor parre</p><p> </p><p>He was a rabbi noor, the Uplifter of the universe,the power of the suppressed people- poeple who had been suppressed for over 1000 years, still says he is but the servant of the GOD almighty.If someone salutes him with humility, he returns that salutation far more grandly when he says about Waheguru,h</p><p> </p><p>hamesul salaam hai,samtul kalam hai.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Based upon the above notes, of His Majesty Guru Gobind Singh JI, does one beleive it would have been impossible for him to have said, that He will return in such a such year and continue to beleive in the AAd Granth until then ?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I dont know why "Giani" Ikbal Singh has exploded such wild and uncivilised idea and relied on such unsupported mythical stories and a book that is certainly proven to be not that of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and certainly widely believed to have been commonly adulturated by the British colonialists with the help of uneducated and traitorous Sikhs[that we also see today who have NO iota of intelligence in the affairs of Sikh faith except to bark like dogs and issue threats].</p><p> </p><p>Ikbal Singh is known to be highly ignorant of Sikhs affairs, and one that ran off when confronted by the Sikhs in Canada to asnwer charges against him;and also a highly recognised follower of the RSS, is again trying perhaps distract the Sikh unity and intention to free Gurduara Gian Godri, from the clutches of nazi hindu government of Uttranchal Pradesh where he is said to be from originally.He has been instrumental in also torpedoeing the Unity of the Akal Takhat,and Sikh Maryada although he is not the only culprit in that arena, along with others.</p><p> </p><p>In my opinion the sau sakhi lying in the British Museum is of no significant historical use apart for general reading.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>ਤਖਤ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਪਟਨਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ‘ਜਥੇਦਾਰ'ਗਿ:ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਲੋ ਦਸਮ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੇ 1216 ਸੰਨ ਨੂੰ ਦੁਬਾਰਾ ਜਨਮ ਧਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਬਿਆਨ ਨੂੰ ਝੂਠ ਦਾ ਪੁਲੰਦਾ,ਗੁੰਮਰਾਹਕੁੰਨ ਤੇ ਸ਼ਰਾਰਤ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਬਿਆਨਦਿਆਂ ਤਖਤ ਸ਼ੀ ਦਮਦਮਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਸਾਬਕਾ ਮੁੱਖ ਸੇਵਾਦਾਰ ਗਿ:ਕੇਵਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਦਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਿਤੇ ਗਿਆ ਹੀ ਨਹੀ ਤਾਂ ਆਵੇਗਾ ਕਿੱਥੋ?ਉਨਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਸਾਡਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਦਾ ਅੰਗ ਸੰਗ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀ ਆਉਂਦਾ।ਉਨਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਆਪਣਾ ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੋਵੇਗਾ ਜੋ ਜਨਮ ਲੈ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ।ਗਿ:ਕੇਵਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਵੀ ਕਈ ਤਰਾ ਦੇ ਵਿਵਾਦਮਈ ਬਿਆਨ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਗਿ:ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਲੋ ਇਹ ਸ਼ਰਾਰਤ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਬਿਆਨ ਦਾਗਣ ਪਿਛੇ ਕਿਹੜੀ ਘਟੀਆ ਸਾਜਿਸ਼ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਪਤਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਜਰੂਰ ਲਗਾਉਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ।</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaan Pardesi, post: 158659, member: 7047"] <IFRAME style="POSITION: absolute; WIDTH: 10px; HEIGHT: 10px; TOP: -9999em" id=twttrHubFrame tabIndex=0 src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/hub.1324331373.html" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no></IFRAME>This is the biggest attention seeking shosha that "Giani" Ikbal Singh Ji has ever exploded.I have been going over this sau sakhi in the British Library, there is no such thing as claimed by him on any of the pages within the book.He has done this to perhaps attract personal fame and attention as his personality has exhibited in the past an inferiority complex, when no attention is paid to him.I call upon him to prove where what he claims is said, where and what page of the book? A number books, including most chapters of the alledged dasam granth and 'sau sakhi' owe their origins to the bhats, from Agra and other unknown writers from the vedic period.These bhats were not the ones who Guru Nanak Ji had vichar with.These were commercial bhats, some of whom were envious of the court of Guru Gobind Singh, who they met as he passed them on way to Deccan.It is alos so ironic that for a 21st century religion and thought, Sikhs are still calmouring to the dasam granth without rationality, when all Bhai Mani Singh did was collect general reading literature from various sources.Then as if to twist the good fate of the Sikh religion someone binded all that into a book and attributed it to Guru Goibind Singh Ji, and Sikhs like fools are still arguing over it, when again and again it has been proven much of the literature,93% has absolutely NOTHING to do with Guru Gobind Singh ji or his stated philosophy.But the sadh factions to keep their iron grip over the Sikh minds and souls continue tp peddle these ill stories of sex and abuse as part of the Guru's message!Just how simple minded and easily led the community is often , is unbelievable. In the sau sakhi it also says that Guru Gobind Singh Jis' eldest sahibzada baba Ajit Singh Ji was married to a Tara Bhai, of Agra!That she gave birth to a son!!! This is in total conflict with Sikh faith and values recognised in Sikh history, as then the title of SARBANSDANI bestowed upon Guru Gobind Singh JI becomes null and void, as not the entire family becomes sacrificed!Only an anri Sikh mind can think as such.Today sadly we have many such nerds. If we believe the SAU Sakhi that Ikbal Singh has so michieviously used to support his claim [shosha]then, the so called son of Tara Bhai,who is then the so called daughter in law of Guru Gobind Singh was not the entire part of the family balidaan that Guru Gobind Singh ji has given to the Sikh panth.That would disqualify Guru JI from being a sarbansdani!Is this even thinkable? Such "theory"also expresses the preposterous peak of lies and distortion of Sikh Guru Sahibaan as the wedding is alledgedly supposed to have taken place after the battle of Anandpur Sahib; at Agra, as he was on his way to the Decaan!No where else in the recorded annals of Sikhs references is such recorded. Finally I shoot this theory down with the historically established and non controversial fact of Sikh history- THE AMRITPAAN OF ANANDPUR SAHIB in 1699 when the entire[ personal]family of Guru Gobind Singh Ji took amrit. The question arises , HOW CAN Baba Ajit Singh JI marry a "TARA BHAI"who it clearly appears from the name had NOT taken amrit?She was NOT a Kaur.This sounds very much like the Niranakari poet Alam's imagination of the wild idea that Guru Gobind Singh Ji lived till in 1934 under an assumed name; that was very much floating around a few ago. Surely if Guru Gobind Singh was to make a "reappearance"in later years, it goes totally against his bani, as miracles have no place with a GURU who asked for boon to be granted from GOD;a Guru who would have been able to perform miracles to rule over his advesaries and spare the sacrifices and torture of his own father, family and thousands of Singhs. Finally, this melodramtic claim now clashes with Guru Gobind Singh Ji clear message, that clearly says, after he has departed from the worldly life, ONLY and only Guru GRanth sahib should be the GURU!Now surely,if he is alledgedly has "written that he will come back in 2012 - to 20 18, " would he have finalised the Sikh religion with Guru maniyo Granth? Having the greatest ability of super natural power,Guru Gobind Singh Ji does not exhibit any and speaks with the severe humility ;- Jo hum Ko pramesher uchre te sabh narak kund me par he Mo ko das tawan ka jano ya main bhed n ranch pshano main ho'n param purakh ka dasa dekhan ayao jagat tamasha He goes on with humilty, and effectivly sweetly, expressing in the most of humblest manners He says Inn hi ki kirpa ke saje'n hai'n nahi mo so gareeb karor parre He was a rabbi noor, the Uplifter of the universe,the power of the suppressed people- poeple who had been suppressed for over 1000 years, still says he is but the servant of the GOD almighty.If someone salutes him with humility, he returns that salutation far more grandly when he says about Waheguru,h hamesul salaam hai,samtul kalam hai. Based upon the above notes, of His Majesty Guru Gobind Singh JI, does one beleive it would have been impossible for him to have said, that He will return in such a such year and continue to beleive in the AAd Granth until then ? I dont know why "Giani" Ikbal Singh has exploded such wild and uncivilised idea and relied on such unsupported mythical stories and a book that is certainly proven to be not that of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and certainly widely believed to have been commonly adulturated by the British colonialists with the help of uneducated and traitorous Sikhs[that we also see today who have NO iota of intelligence in the affairs of Sikh faith except to bark like dogs and issue threats]. Ikbal Singh is known to be highly ignorant of Sikhs affairs, and one that ran off when confronted by the Sikhs in Canada to asnwer charges against him;and also a highly recognised follower of the RSS, is again trying perhaps distract the Sikh unity and intention to free Gurduara Gian Godri, from the clutches of nazi hindu government of Uttranchal Pradesh where he is said to be from originally.He has been instrumental in also torpedoeing the Unity of the Akal Takhat,and Sikh Maryada although he is not the only culprit in that arena, along with others. In my opinion the sau sakhi lying in the British Museum is of no significant historical use apart for general reading. ਤਖਤ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਪਟਨਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ‘ਜਥੇਦਾਰ'ਗਿ:ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਲੋ ਦਸਮ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੇ 1216 ਸੰਨ ਨੂੰ ਦੁਬਾਰਾ ਜਨਮ ਧਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਬਿਆਨ ਨੂੰ ਝੂਠ ਦਾ ਪੁਲੰਦਾ,ਗੁੰਮਰਾਹਕੁੰਨ ਤੇ ਸ਼ਰਾਰਤ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਬਿਆਨਦਿਆਂ ਤਖਤ ਸ਼ੀ ਦਮਦਮਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ ਸਾਬਕਾ ਮੁੱਖ ਸੇਵਾਦਾਰ ਗਿ:ਕੇਵਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਦਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਿਤੇ ਗਿਆ ਹੀ ਨਹੀ ਤਾਂ ਆਵੇਗਾ ਕਿੱਥੋ?ਉਨਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਸਾਡਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਦਾ ਅੰਗ ਸੰਗ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀ ਆਉਂਦਾ।ਉਨਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਆਪਣਾ ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੋਵੇਗਾ ਜੋ ਜਨਮ ਲੈ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ।ਗਿ:ਕੇਵਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਵੀ ਕਈ ਤਰਾ ਦੇ ਵਿਵਾਦਮਈ ਬਿਆਨ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਗਿ:ਇਕਬਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਲੋ ਇਹ ਸ਼ਰਾਰਤ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਬਿਆਨ ਦਾਗਣ ਪਿਛੇ ਕਿਹੜੀ ਘਟੀਆ ਸਾਜਿਸ਼ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਪਤਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਜਰੂਰ ਲਗਾਉਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ। [/QUOTE]
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