☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Social Lounge
Articles
Spiritual
Quieting The Mind Opening The Heart
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 100533" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Mahabir Singh ji</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Names are not important any more for me; it’s the ideas that attract me. You are most welcome to address me the way you feel comfort. I will be pleased whichever way you address me. For me ID’s of different people are also assumed names taken by them because as in case of name, ID’s too represent them.</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I must admit I am very naïve in meditation(it is a fact), regardless reading books on medication, my mind doesn’t still, I cannot see God in all as Gurbani says, like who rape women, kill innocents, take advantage of others, I feel that they closed doors on God, I see them without God or whose ego has buried God within,; the reason is that I feel I don’t understand God fully, what I am doing is accepting what Guru says and trying to remove my illusions, when I go in that situation, I don’t visualize His “Nirgun” swroop because I cannot. Why it is important to do that? Without understanding His Nirgun Swroop, it is like seeking something imaginative. As I feel now to praise Him as Nirguna, some kind of visualization is a must</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> When I go through the Gurbani slowly I feel, I am not anything, and what I think becomes meaningless and I concentrate on Guru Shabad, I start getting Message in the Shabad totally opposite to my thought. Many times, I feel to visualize “Nirgun” swroop” for whom Guru Nanak on SGGS 877 expresses how strongly he longs for Him and seeing him in that state, people around him judge him as crazy. Then he leads to his followers to the reason he was in sadly state and why others don’t see God though He can be realized within. I have found all answers in that Shabad, from there I can see the reason of my complete failure because what I think, what is said about me negatively come to disturb me. I often fall into pieces in repentance.</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">. The entire time one cannot sit into meditation. As Guru Says first all the trash that disturbs, should be out. It is not like go and sit still and stop thinking because behind all this, avalanche of thought lurk to hit or after coming out of that state, that baggage reloads the mind again; however, as Guru Nanak explains quiet contrary to you, the seed that let these thought blossoms, needs to be eliminated; for that battle within is necessary. To continue that, negative atmosphere must be got rid of. That is the only way to understand Him and His Hukam. What things you are saying are amazing to me,; however, to tread on this path without the battle seems to me beyond reach or temporary relief. My falls tell me that I am worse than all; I go there, a little closer then suddenly see myself to the bottom. Kindly allow me to ask you a few more questions if you don’t mind</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You wrote</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #C00000">“Even soul cannot experience what soul is unless it is given the tools of feeling. our body & mind are the two tools of feelings”</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">That is pretty understandable.</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“. <span style="color: #C00000">we are not our body or our Mind. we are the ones who are using these tools ‘</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Using as what? As a soul ?</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #C00000">“As we feel happy to change our shirt our <u>soul feels happy </u>to change our body “</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If that is true then why the fear of death exist?</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #C00000">“every soul has an agenda what it wants to experience in this life time. our mind does not know this agenda. our soul lets our mind do what it wants to do with ego. it does not interfere because it is a part of God</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px">.[/FONT]</span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If our soul has an agenda, how it is right to say that it doesn’t interfere?</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #C00000">Greatest gift of God is Freedom. Only at the time of our death when our soul decides it has already full filled its agenda it decides to go without listening to our Mind. </span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here I missed you, are you talking about freedom of soul? Are you saying all actions are triggered by mind without the involvement of the Soul and God? Soul’s departure if considered freedom why it also keeps an agenda? Who steers the mind?</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #C00000">just see the Aarti which <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #C00000">Guru Nanak Dev</span></a> ji sang, look at the Aarti you will realise what is Nirgurn Sawroop. just visualise that it is Nirgun Sawroop wheguru who has created this universe/universes.</span></span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Mahabir Singh Ji, Arti is all about His “Sargun swroop”, by saying He has created all, and how it is possible to visualize Him. Guru Hukam is (SGGS 1297</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #C00000">)[/FONT]</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾਨੜਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AA" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਜੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%AA" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੂਪ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੇਖ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਡਾਮ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਿਲੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਜੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A1" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਡ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਗ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਥਾਮ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5" target="_blank">॥[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span>॥[/FONT] </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਹਾਉ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Kānṛā mėhlā 4.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"> Bẖaj rāmo man rām.[/FONT] Jis rūp na rekẖ vadām.[/FONT] Saṯsangaṯ mil bẖaj rām.[/FONT] Bad ho ho bẖāg mathām. ||1|| rahā▫o.[/FONT] </span>[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Essence The Almighty whose form and sign cannot be explained, mediate on Him, He is the greatest of all. In the company of saints, praise Him, you would turn lucky(ause</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਈ</span></span><span style="color: black">! </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੀ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸ਼ਕਲ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਹਨ</span></span><span style="color: black">-</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚੱਕਰ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹੀਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੱਸੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਕਦੇ</span></span><span style="color: black">, </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਭ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੋਂ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੱਡਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੈ</span></span><span style="color: black">, </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਸ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਮ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਜਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਪਣੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਚ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਿਆ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰ।</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਈ</span></span><span style="color: black">! </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਧ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਗਤਿ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਚ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਿਲ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਤੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਾ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਜਨ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰ</span></span><span style="color: black">, </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੇਰੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੱਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੱਡੇ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਗ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋ</span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਣਗੇ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ</span></span><span style="color: black">।</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"> [ Oh brother, Ram whose form and sign cannot be expressed, He is the greatest and meditate on Him. Oh brother if in the company of Saints Ram is praised, you will turn lucky. (Pause)]"</span>[/FONT]</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I feel Guru diverts us to His” Nirgun Swroop” from His Sargun Swroop which is bigger than this Sargun visible swroop” Just by praising His outside Sargun swroop is not enough to contemplate on HIM</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I hope my questions haven’t questioned what you experience at all and it is not my intention, I am just torn between concept of Soul and God, then my failure due to the Locked door in front Him and </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">around that door</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">,deep ditches filled with ego that pushing me away from Him(Reference SGGS877)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Hope your further elaboration can help me on these avenues of inquisitiveness.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Regards</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">G Singh</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 100533, member: 5889"] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Mahabir Singh ji[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Names are not important any more for me; it’s the ideas that attract me. You are most welcome to address me the way you feel comfort. I will be pleased whichever way you address me. For me ID’s of different people are also assumed names taken by them because as in case of name, ID’s too represent them.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]I must admit I am very naïve in meditation(it is a fact), regardless reading books on medication, my mind doesn’t still, I cannot see God in all as Gurbani says, like who rape women, kill innocents, take advantage of others, I feel that they closed doors on God, I see them without God or whose ego has buried God within,; the reason is that I feel I don’t understand God fully, what I am doing is accepting what Guru says and trying to remove my illusions, when I go in that situation, I don’t visualize His “Nirgun” swroop because I cannot. Why it is important to do that? Without understanding His Nirgun Swroop, it is like seeking something imaginative. As I feel now to praise Him as Nirguna, some kind of visualization is a must[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] When I go through the Gurbani slowly I feel, I am not anything, and what I think becomes meaningless and I concentrate on Guru Shabad, I start getting Message in the Shabad totally opposite to my thought. Many times, I feel to visualize “Nirgun” swroop” for whom Guru Nanak on SGGS 877 expresses how strongly he longs for Him and seeing him in that state, people around him judge him as crazy. Then he leads to his followers to the reason he was in sadly state and why others don’t see God though He can be realized within. I have found all answers in that Shabad, from there I can see the reason of my complete failure because what I think, what is said about me negatively come to disturb me. I often fall into pieces in repentance.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]. The entire time one cannot sit into meditation. As Guru Says first all the trash that disturbs, should be out. It is not like go and sit still and stop thinking because behind all this, avalanche of thought lurk to hit or after coming out of that state, that baggage reloads the mind again; however, as Guru Nanak explains quiet contrary to you, the seed that let these thought blossoms, needs to be eliminated; for that battle within is necessary. To continue that, negative atmosphere must be got rid of. That is the only way to understand Him and His Hukam. What things you are saying are amazing to me,; however, to tread on this path without the battle seems to me beyond reach or temporary relief. My falls tell me that I am worse than all; I go there, a little closer then suddenly see myself to the bottom. Kindly allow me to ask you a few more questions if you don’t mind[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]You wrote[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000]“Even soul cannot experience what soul is unless it is given the tools of feeling. our body & mind are the two tools of feelings”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]That is pretty understandable.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]“. [COLOR=#C00000]we are not our body or our Mind. we are the ones who are using these tools ‘[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Using as what? As a soul ?[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000]“As we feel happy to change our shirt our [U]soul feels happy [/U]to change our body “[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]If that is true then why the fear of death exist?[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000]“every soul has an agenda what it wants to experience in this life time. our mind does not know this agenda. our soul lets our mind do what it wants to do with ego. it does not interfere because it is a part of God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000][/COLOR].[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]If our soul has an agenda, how it is right to say that it doesn’t interfere?[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000]Greatest gift of God is Freedom. Only at the time of our death when our soul decides it has already full filled its agenda it decides to go without listening to our Mind. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Here I missed you, are you talking about freedom of soul? Are you saying all actions are triggered by mind without the involvement of the Soul and God? Soul’s departure if considered freedom why it also keeps an agenda? Who steers the mind?[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000]just see the Aarti which [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"][COLOR=#C00000]Guru Nanak Dev[/COLOR][/URL] ji sang, look at the Aarti you will realise what is Nirgurn Sawroop. just visualise that it is Nirgun Sawroop wheguru who has created this universe/universes.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=#C00000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Mahabir Singh Ji, Arti is all about His “Sargun swroop”, by saying He has created all, and how it is possible to visualize Him. Guru Hukam is (SGGS 1297[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][COLOR=#C00000])[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]“[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%9C%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾਨੜਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AA"][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਜੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%AA"][FONT=Raavi]ਰੂਪ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96"][FONT=Raavi]ਰੇਖ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਡਾਮ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਿਲੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਜੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A1"][FONT=Raavi]ਬਡ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਗ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਥਾਮ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5"]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT]॥[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Kānṛā mėhlā 4.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3] Bẖaj rāmo man rām.[/FONT] Jis rūp na rekẖ vadām.[/FONT] Saṯsangaṯ mil bẖaj rām.[/FONT] Bad ho ho bẖāg mathām. ||1|| rahā▫o.[/FONT] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]In Essence The Almighty whose form and sign cannot be explained, mediate on Him, He is the greatest of all. In the company of saints, praise Him, you would turn lucky(ause [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]! [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸ਼ਕਲ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਹਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]-[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਚੱਕਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹੀਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੱਸੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਕਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black], [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਭ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਤੋਂ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵੱਡਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black], [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਉਸ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਜਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਆਪਣੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਚ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਿਆ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰ।[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਈ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]! [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਧ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਗਤਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਚ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਿਲ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਅਤੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਜਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black], [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਤੇਰੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮੱਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵੱਡੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਗ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਣਗੇ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]।[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [ Oh brother, Ram whose form and sign cannot be expressed, He is the greatest and meditate on Him. Oh brother if in the company of Saints Ram is praised, you will turn lucky. (Pause)]"[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]I feel Guru diverts us to His” Nirgun Swroop” from His Sargun Swroop which is bigger than this Sargun visible swroop” Just by praising His outside Sargun swroop is not enough to contemplate on HIM[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]I hope my questions haven’t questioned what you experience at all and it is not my intention, I am just torn between concept of Soul and God, then my failure due to the Locked door in front Him and [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]around that door[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3],deep ditches filled with ego that pushing me away from Him(Reference SGGS877)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Hope your further elaboration can help me on these avenues of inquisitiveness.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Regards[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]G Singh[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Social Lounge
Articles
Spiritual
Quieting The Mind Opening The Heart
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top