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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member15" data-source="post: 165127" data-attributes="member: 17438"><p>My dear sister Ishna <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p>Thank you for your wonderful and illuminating post! </p><p> </p><p>In the Declaration Nostra Aetate, produced by the Second Vatican Council as an official statement on the Church's relationship with other religions, we read: "<em>The Church also has a high regard for the Muslims, who worship one God, living and subsistent, merciful and omnipotent, the Creator of heaven and earth</em>" (Nostra Aetate 3). As a result of their monotheism, wonderful submission to God's Will and great devotions, believers in Allah are particularly close to us. We are brothers in Abraham, our common father. We worship the same God. </p><p> </p><p>Your quotations from the Qur'an, highlight a particularly beautiful passage, the one you have bolded, speaking of God saving and pardoning Salib through his grace, in accordance with his Sovereign Will. This is very similar to concepts within Christianity and Sikhi. </p><p> </p><p>One of the common refrains throughout the Holy Qur'an is that God is "<em>compassionate and merciful</em>". Islam has, contained within the Qur'an, 99 names for God that are truly among the most splendid in all of religious literature. In fact the Qur'anic names for God are a real jewel in terms of spiritual books. Blessed Pope John Paul II had nothing but praise for our Muslim brothers' in this respect, however he also noted important, nay crucial, differences: </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the world, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption...For this reason not only the theology but also the anthropology of Islam is very distant from Christianity...Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation...Nevertheless, the religiosity of Muslims deserves respect. It is impossible not to admire, for example, their fidelity to prayer. The image of believers in Allah who, without caring about time or place, fall to their knees and immerse themselves in prayer remains a model for all those who invoke the true God, in particular for those Christians who, having deserted their magnificent cathedrals, pray only a little or not at all... In countries where fundamentalist movements come to power, human rights and the principle of religious freedom are unfortunately interpreted in a very one-sided way-religious freedom comes to mean freedom to impose on all citizens the "true religion." In these countries the situation of Christians is sometimes terribly disturbing. Fundamentalist attitudes of this nature make reciprocal contacts very difficult. All the same, the Church remains always open to dialogue and cooperation..." </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>- Blessed Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope</em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Consider the passage that you bolded, look closely at this line: </p><p> </p><p><strong>We saved Sālib <em><u>and those Who believed with him</u></em></strong>. </p><p> </p><p>It seems to me, from frequent reading of the Holy Qur'an, that one can open up any page of this lusciously and poetically written book of true literary quality and beauty, and yet find continual, almost non-stop diatribes warning against <em>fraternity </em>with the unbelievers and speaking of how damned and awful the <em>unbelievers </em>are. </p><p> </p><p>Indeed the Holy Qur'an, despite is great ethical and religious significance and voluminous contribution to human civilisation, falls down chiefly in the area of <em>believer/unbeliever </em>contact where the holy book creates a virtual <em>apartheid </em>between believers and unbelievers, to the extent that (from my own personal Qur'an): </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...Proclaim: "You shall obey GOD and the messenger." If they turn away. <em><u>GOD does not love the disbelievers</u></em><strong>..."</strong> </span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>- Qur'an 3:32</em></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I find that particularly hard to stomach. In the Sura of the Women it is written: </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...<u><em>They (the disbelievers) are your sworn enemies</em></u>...Indeed, God has prepared a humiliating punishment for the disbelievers...If anyone opposes the Messenger [...] we shall burn him in hell, an evil destination..." </span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">- Qur'an 4:102</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Muslims are instructed not to take non-believers as friends: </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><strong>Qur'an (5:51)</strong></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"> - <em>"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." </em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><strong>Qur'an (5:80)</strong></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><em> - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." </em>Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell. </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><strong>Qur'an (3:28)</strong></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"> <em>- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah" </em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">Why? </span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">I would really appreciate brother Naben's help in this respect. I see this as uneccessary guidance and a fermenting of divisions between people, and indeed a fostering of hatred. </span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">I ask this in a spirit of brotherhood and cordiality, brother Naben. I do not understand, please aid my understanding. </span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I have read the Holy Qur'an, and many of the Hadith. I am somewhat more knowledgeable of the Sunni Hadith (ie Bukhari) than the Shi'ite ones, since apart from portions of the Kitab-al-Kafi there are not all that many English translations of the Shi'a Hadith. </p><p> </p><p>My favourite translation of the Qur'an is the one by Abdel Haleem and published by Oxford University Press, I have it too hand right now. It does take some liberties with certain passages, that is <em>softening </em>them, however for first time reading of the Qur'an it renders the Arabic into very light and intelligible prose. </p><p> </p><p>The Qur'an has, undoubtedly, many wonderful passages in it. There is even a beautiful parable about God being the light of the heavens and the earth, with the image of a lamp in a niche used. </p><p> </p><p>The teachings of this Holy Book were, naturally, revolutionary and innovative <em>in the context of 7th century Arabia. </em>For example Muhammad ended the Arab infanticide of baby girls. This was a significant progression in that civilisation at the time <em>kaurhug</em></p><p> </p><p><em>The problem is that, traditionally, Muslims regard the word of the Qur'an and Hadith as literaly valid without considering the context and limitations of the time period. </em></p><p> </p><p>And so, Islam deserves our respect for its contributions to civilisation, many of its wonderful moral teachings and for the deep religiosity that it creates in its followers which is often unsurpassed.</p><p> </p><p>The Qur'an is a book of great beauty, and I for one do not believe in picking selections out of any holy book and judging a religion on that basis. Nonetheless, I do have question marks regarding the Qur'anic statements about disbelievers, as to - why???</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member15, post: 165127, member: 17438"] My dear sister Ishna :-) Thank you for your wonderful and illuminating post! In the Declaration Nostra Aetate, produced by the Second Vatican Council as an official statement on the Church's relationship with other religions, we read: "[I]The Church also has a high regard for the Muslims, who worship one God, living and subsistent, merciful and omnipotent, the Creator of heaven and earth[/I]" (Nostra Aetate 3). As a result of their monotheism, wonderful submission to God's Will and great devotions, believers in Allah are particularly close to us. We are brothers in Abraham, our common father. We worship the same God. Your quotations from the Qur'an, highlight a particularly beautiful passage, the one you have bolded, speaking of God saving and pardoning Salib through his grace, in accordance with his Sovereign Will. This is very similar to concepts within Christianity and Sikhi. One of the common refrains throughout the Holy Qur'an is that God is "[I]compassionate and merciful[/I]". Islam has, contained within the Qur'an, 99 names for God that are truly among the most splendid in all of religious literature. In fact the Qur'anic names for God are a real jewel in terms of spiritual books. Blessed Pope John Paul II had nothing but praise for our Muslim brothers' in this respect, however he also noted important, nay crucial, differences: [SIZE=3]"...Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the world, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption...For this reason not only the theology but also the anthropology of Islam is very distant from Christianity...Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation...Nevertheless, the religiosity of Muslims deserves respect. It is impossible not to admire, for example, their fidelity to prayer. The image of believers in Allah who, without caring about time or place, fall to their knees and immerse themselves in prayer remains a model for all those who invoke the true God, in particular for those Christians who, having deserted their magnificent cathedrals, pray only a little or not at all... In countries where fundamentalist movements come to power, human rights and the principle of religious freedom are unfortunately interpreted in a very one-sided way-religious freedom comes to mean freedom to impose on all citizens the "true religion." In these countries the situation of Christians is sometimes terribly disturbing. Fundamentalist attitudes of this nature make reciprocal contacts very difficult. All the same, the Church remains always open to dialogue and cooperation..." [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]- Blessed Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope[/I][/SIZE] Consider the passage that you bolded, look closely at this line: [B]We saved Sālib [I][U]and those Who believed with him[/U][/I][/B]. It seems to me, from frequent reading of the Holy Qur'an, that one can open up any page of this lusciously and poetically written book of true literary quality and beauty, and yet find continual, almost non-stop diatribes warning against [I]fraternity [/I]with the unbelievers and speaking of how damned and awful the [I]unbelievers [/I]are. Indeed the Holy Qur'an, despite is great ethical and religious significance and voluminous contribution to human civilisation, falls down chiefly in the area of [I]believer/unbeliever [/I]contact where the holy book creates a virtual [I]apartheid [/I]between believers and unbelievers, to the extent that (from my own personal Qur'an): [SIZE=3]"...Proclaim: "You shall obey GOD and the messenger." If they turn away. [I][U]GOD does not love the disbelievers[/U][/I][B]..."[/B] [/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][I]- Qur'an 3:32[/I][/SIZE][/B] I find that particularly hard to stomach. In the Sura of the Women it is written: [SIZE=3]"...[U][I]They (the disbelievers) are your sworn enemies[/I][/U]...Indeed, God has prepared a humiliating punishment for the disbelievers...If anyone opposes the Messenger [...] we shall burn him in hell, an evil destination..." [/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]- Qur'an 4:102[/SIZE][/B] Muslims are instructed not to take non-believers as friends: [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][B]Qur'an (5:51)[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3] - [I]"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." [/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][B]Qur'an (5:80)[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][I] - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." [/I]Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell. [/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][B]Qur'an (3:28)[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3] [I]- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah" [/I][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3]Why? [/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3]I would really appreciate brother Naben's help in this respect. I see this as uneccessary guidance and a fermenting of divisions between people, and indeed a fostering of hatred. [/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3]I ask this in a spirit of brotherhood and cordiality, brother Naben. I do not understand, please aid my understanding. [/SIZE][/I] I have read the Holy Qur'an, and many of the Hadith. I am somewhat more knowledgeable of the Sunni Hadith (ie Bukhari) than the Shi'ite ones, since apart from portions of the Kitab-al-Kafi there are not all that many English translations of the Shi'a Hadith. My favourite translation of the Qur'an is the one by Abdel Haleem and published by Oxford University Press, I have it too hand right now. It does take some liberties with certain passages, that is [I]softening [/I]them, however for first time reading of the Qur'an it renders the Arabic into very light and intelligible prose. The Qur'an has, undoubtedly, many wonderful passages in it. There is even a beautiful parable about God being the light of the heavens and the earth, with the image of a lamp in a niche used. The teachings of this Holy Book were, naturally, revolutionary and innovative [I]in the context of 7th century Arabia. [/I]For example Muhammad ended the Arab infanticide of baby girls. This was a significant progression in that civilisation at the time [I]kaurhug[/I] [I]The problem is that, traditionally, Muslims regard the word of the Qur'an and Hadith as literaly valid without considering the context and limitations of the time period. [/I] And so, Islam deserves our respect for its contributions to civilisation, many of its wonderful moral teachings and for the deep religiosity that it creates in its followers which is often unsurpassed. The Qur'an is a book of great beauty, and I for one do not believe in picking selections out of any holy book and judging a religion on that basis. Nonetheless, I do have question marks regarding the Qur'anic statements about disbelievers, as to - why??? [/QUOTE]
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