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<blockquote data-quote="Balpreet Singh" data-source="post: 217774" data-attributes="member: 22080"><p>Gur Fateh Ji</p><p>Bhai Sahib Ji as we are Sikhs, I strongly urge to to research more about who Bhai Gurdass Ji was before criticizing his Vaars. </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Bhai Gurdas</strong> (1551- <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/23_September" target="_blank">23 September</a> <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/1637" target="_blank">1637</a><a href="http://sgpc.net/Historical%20dates%20&%20events/date_september.asp" target="_blank">1</a>) is a much honoured <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh" target="_blank">Sikh</a> scholar, missionary, and literary master who is also respected for his Sikh way of life. He was a leading figure in <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikhism" target="_blank">Sikhism</a> who enjoyed the company of <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan" target="_blank">Guru Arjan</a>, the fifth <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh_Guru" target="_blank">Sikh Guru</a>.</p><p>It was under the supervision of the fifth <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh_Guru" target="_blank">Sikh Guru</a> that he inscribed the first copy of <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh_Scripture" target="_blank">Sikh Scripture</a>, then called The <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Adi_Granth" target="_blank">Adi Granth</a>, which is now respected as the perpetual Guru of the Sikhs and is central of the Sikh religion. He was also responsible for various writings in his own right which have gained much respect in the Sikh community. </p><p><strong>Varan Bhai Gurdas</strong> is the name given to the 40 Varan (Chapters) of writing by <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas" target="_blank">Bhai Gurdas</a> ji. <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev" target="_blank">Guru Arjan Dev</a>, the fifth Sikh Guru, referred to them as the, <strong>“Key to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib” </strong>. Bhai Gurdas was a first cousin of <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Mata_Bhani" target="_blank">Mata Bhani</a>, mother of <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev" target="_blank">Guru Arjan Dev</a>. He was the first scribe of <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Granth_Sahib" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> and a scholar of great repute. From his work it's clear that he had mastery of various Indian languages and had studied many ancient Indian religious scriptures.</p><p>This is quoted by Macauliffe in his book <em>“The Sikh Religion” </em>to express the importance placed by the Guru on Bhai Sahib's work, “The Guru, probably to make trial of his learned and able scribe Bhai Gur Das, whose compositions he admired, offered to insert them in the Granth, but Bhai Gur Das said that they were not worthy of such honour. The Guru complimented him on his modesty and ability, and said that whoever read Bhai's writings should acquire spiritual profit and instruction and faith in the teachings of the holy Gurus.”</p><p></p><p>Additionally, as you do not believe in Bhai Gurdass Ji's Vaars which is surprising to me personally. Albeit, there is another account through Taajudin Naqshabandhi. Taajudin joined Guru Nanak and remained with him for roughly one-and-a-half to two years. Taajudin documented his time with Guru Nanak in great detail. His notes describing Guru Nanak Dev Ji's journey to the middle east have been translated to english and are avaliable to read here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B39vxC8IGIWFbTlST1ctX2psdEk/edit" target="_blank">Guru Nanak's travel to the middle east.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>Furthermore, as you have asked for a Shabad to be presented, heres one from the top of my head:</p><p>This shabad taken from Dhan Dhan SGGS refers to how Bhagat Nam Dev was dragged out of his place of worship due to him being of lower caste and the Lord turns the temple towards him.</p><p></p><p>hsq Kylq qyry dyhury AwieAw ]</p><p>Laughing and playing, I came to Your Temple, O Lord.</p><p></p><p>Bgiq krq nwmw pkir auTwieAw ]1]</p><p>While Naam Dayv was worshipping, he was grabbed and driven out. ||1||</p><p></p><p>hInVI jwiq myrI jwidm rwieAw ]</p><p>I am of a low social class, O Lord;</p><p></p><p>CIpy ky jnim kwhy kau AwieAw ]1] rhwau ]</p><p>Why was I born into a family of fabric dyers? ||1||Pause||</p><p></p><p>lY kmlI cilE pltwie ]</p><p>I picked up my blanket and went back,</p><p></p><p>dyhurY pwCY bYTw jwie ]2]</p><p>To sit behind the temple. ||2||</p><p></p><p>ijau ijau nwmw hir gux aucrY ]</p><p>As Naam Dayv uttered the Glorious Praises of the Lord,</p><p></p><p>Bgq jnW kau dyhurw iPrY ]3]6]</p><p>The temple turned around to face the Lord's humble devotee. ||3||6||</p><p></p><p>That temple is still rotated 180 degrees. In most <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Hindu" target="_blank">Hindu</a> temples, the water pool ("kuub") is normally located at the front of the mandir; at this site, it can be seen at the back of the temple. Further, most temples face east since that is the most auspicious direction in the Hindu faith as the Sun rises from the East and the Sun is considered the destroyer of darkness and the giver of life. The Aundha Nagnath temple faces West.d.</p><p></p><p>This is the symbol of the true love of God towards His true worshipper.</p><p></p><p>Please do not wait for me to provide shabads when you can search the entirety of SGGS on the internet: <a href="https://beta.igurbani.com/" target="_blank">iGurbani - iGurbani</a></p><p></p><p>Moreover, I don't claim to be a scholar on the issue as I'm far from being learnt and spiritually wise enough to comment on our religion's history and philosophy but just to elaborate in the 'miracle' sense, I believe everything is a miracle. Infact, Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Janamsakhi; is filled with miracles. To list <strong>one</strong> would be Guru Nanak Dev Ji's handprint in the stone at Panja Sahib, <strong>was that not a miracle? </strong></p><p>Gurbani itself is a miracle. Guru Ji is a miracle. Guru ke Sikh are miracles. Guru ke Panj Piyare are miracles. `1699 Vaisakhi was a miracle. Baba Deep Singh Ji fought beheaded, Bhai Mati Daas Ji did Japji Sahib while getting sawed in half. Bhai Taru Singh Ji went to Sachkand after 22 days after getting his scalp removed (Zakaria Khan died before Bhai Taru Singh Ji). Baba Mani Singh ji did Sukhmani Sahib while getting cut into pieces. Guru ke 40 Singhs at Chamkaur Sahib fought against 2,200,000</p><p></p><p>There are countless miracles in Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>In punjabi the word for miracle is 'kautak'. I think people mistake the word miracle for the punjabi word "karamaat" which conforms to magic tricks and that prespective.</p><p></p><p>If I am wrong or have made a mistake anywhere, please correct me.</p><p></p><p>Here's a recording of Sant Maskeen Ji's Katha which elaborates on this particular issue clearly: [MEDIA=youtube]sAUbJ5uFE_Y[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Bhul Chuk Maf</p><p>Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa</p><p>Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Balpreet Singh, post: 217774, member: 22080"] Gur Fateh Ji Bhai Sahib Ji as we are Sikhs, I strongly urge to to research more about who Bhai Gurdass Ji was before criticizing his Vaars. [B] Bhai Gurdas[/B] (1551- [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/23_September']23 September[/URL] [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/1637']1637[/URL][URL='http://sgpc.net/Historical%20dates%20&%20events/date_september.asp']1[/URL]) is a much honoured [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh']Sikh[/URL] scholar, missionary, and literary master who is also respected for his Sikh way of life. He was a leading figure in [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikhism']Sikhism[/URL] who enjoyed the company of [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan']Guru Arjan[/URL], the fifth [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh_Guru']Sikh Guru[/URL]. It was under the supervision of the fifth [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh_Guru']Sikh Guru[/URL] that he inscribed the first copy of [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh_Scripture']Sikh Scripture[/URL], then called The [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Adi_Granth']Adi Granth[/URL], which is now respected as the perpetual Guru of the Sikhs and is central of the Sikh religion. He was also responsible for various writings in his own right which have gained much respect in the Sikh community. [B]Varan Bhai Gurdas[/B] is the name given to the 40 Varan (Chapters) of writing by [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas']Bhai Gurdas[/URL] ji. [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev']Guru Arjan Dev[/URL], the fifth Sikh Guru, referred to them as the, [B]“Key to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib” [/B]. Bhai Gurdas was a first cousin of [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Mata_Bhani']Mata Bhani[/URL], mother of [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev']Guru Arjan Dev[/URL]. He was the first scribe of [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Granth_Sahib']Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] and a scholar of great repute. From his work it's clear that he had mastery of various Indian languages and had studied many ancient Indian religious scriptures. This is quoted by Macauliffe in his book [I]“The Sikh Religion” [/I]to express the importance placed by the Guru on Bhai Sahib's work, “The Guru, probably to make trial of his learned and able scribe Bhai Gur Das, whose compositions he admired, offered to insert them in the Granth, but Bhai Gur Das said that they were not worthy of such honour. The Guru complimented him on his modesty and ability, and said that whoever read Bhai's writings should acquire spiritual profit and instruction and faith in the teachings of the holy Gurus.” Additionally, as you do not believe in Bhai Gurdass Ji's Vaars which is surprising to me personally. Albeit, there is another account through Taajudin Naqshabandhi. Taajudin joined Guru Nanak and remained with him for roughly one-and-a-half to two years. Taajudin documented his time with Guru Nanak in great detail. His notes describing Guru Nanak Dev Ji's journey to the middle east have been translated to english and are avaliable to read here: [URL="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B39vxC8IGIWFbTlST1ctX2psdEk/edit"]Guru Nanak's travel to the middle east.pdf[/URL] Furthermore, as you have asked for a Shabad to be presented, heres one from the top of my head: This shabad taken from Dhan Dhan SGGS refers to how Bhagat Nam Dev was dragged out of his place of worship due to him being of lower caste and the Lord turns the temple towards him. hsq Kylq qyry dyhury AwieAw ] Laughing and playing, I came to Your Temple, O Lord. Bgiq krq nwmw pkir auTwieAw ]1] While Naam Dayv was worshipping, he was grabbed and driven out. ||1|| hInVI jwiq myrI jwidm rwieAw ] I am of a low social class, O Lord; CIpy ky jnim kwhy kau AwieAw ]1] rhwau ] Why was I born into a family of fabric dyers? ||1||Pause|| lY kmlI cilE pltwie ] I picked up my blanket and went back, dyhurY pwCY bYTw jwie ]2] To sit behind the temple. ||2|| ijau ijau nwmw hir gux aucrY ] As Naam Dayv uttered the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Bgq jnW kau dyhurw iPrY ]3]6] The temple turned around to face the Lord's humble devotee. ||3||6|| That temple is still rotated 180 degrees. In most [URL='http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Hindu']Hindu[/URL] temples, the water pool ("kuub") is normally located at the front of the mandir; at this site, it can be seen at the back of the temple. Further, most temples face east since that is the most auspicious direction in the Hindu faith as the Sun rises from the East and the Sun is considered the destroyer of darkness and the giver of life. The Aundha Nagnath temple faces West.d. This is the symbol of the true love of God towards His true worshipper. Please do not wait for me to provide shabads when you can search the entirety of SGGS on the internet: [URL="https://beta.igurbani.com/"]iGurbani - iGurbani[/URL] Moreover, I don't claim to be a scholar on the issue as I'm far from being learnt and spiritually wise enough to comment on our religion's history and philosophy but just to elaborate in the 'miracle' sense, I believe everything is a miracle. Infact, Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Janamsakhi; is filled with miracles. To list [B]one[/B] would be Guru Nanak Dev Ji's handprint in the stone at Panja Sahib, [B]was that not a miracle? [/B] Gurbani itself is a miracle. Guru Ji is a miracle. Guru ke Sikh are miracles. Guru ke Panj Piyare are miracles. `1699 Vaisakhi was a miracle. Baba Deep Singh Ji fought beheaded, Bhai Mati Daas Ji did Japji Sahib while getting sawed in half. Bhai Taru Singh Ji went to Sachkand after 22 days after getting his scalp removed (Zakaria Khan died before Bhai Taru Singh Ji). Baba Mani Singh ji did Sukhmani Sahib while getting cut into pieces. Guru ke 40 Singhs at Chamkaur Sahib fought against 2,200,000 There are countless miracles in Sikhi. In punjabi the word for miracle is 'kautak'. I think people mistake the word miracle for the punjabi word "karamaat" which conforms to magic tricks and that prespective. If I am wrong or have made a mistake anywhere, please correct me. Here's a recording of Sant Maskeen Ji's Katha which elaborates on this particular issue clearly: [MEDIA=youtube]sAUbJ5uFE_Y[/MEDIA] Bhul Chuk Maf Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh [/QUOTE]
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