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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 178170" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Thanks everyone for your replies.</p><p> </p><p>If the problem is in the translation, perhaps you can help me get a different perspective with help of the original.</p><p> </p><p style="margin-left: 20px">If it's ok, can we use this paurhee as an example?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਭਗਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਾਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਾਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਵਡਿਆਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Lord Himself inspires us to worship Him; He reveals His Glorious Greatness.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਤੀਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਰਤੀਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੇਵ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਸੇਵ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">He Himself inspires us to place our faith in Him. Thus He performs His Own Service.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਭਗਤਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਦੇਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੰਦੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਅਨੰਦੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਥਿਰੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਰੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਘਰੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"><strong>The Lord bestows bliss upon His devotees, and gives them a seat in the eternal home.</strong></span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਪੀਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਾਪੀਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਦੇਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਥਿਰੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਹਣਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਰਹਣਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੁਣਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਚੁਣਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਰਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨਰਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘੋਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਘੋਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"><strong>He does not give the sinners any stability or place of rest; He consigns them to the depths of hell.</strong></span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਭਗਤਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਦੇਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਆਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਿਆਰੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਗੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਅੰਗੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥੧੯॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Lord blesses His devotees with His Love; He sides with them and saves them. ||19||</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Manmohan Singh's translation for comparison:</p><p> </p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਭਗਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਾਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਾਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਵਡਿਆਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">By putting man to his devotional service, God has manifested His glory.1</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਤੀਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਰਤੀਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਆਪੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੇਵ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਸੇਵ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">God causes the devotee to place faith in Him and through him performs His own service.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਭਗਤਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਦੇਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੰਦੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਅਨੰਦੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਥਿਰੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਰੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਘਰੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><strong>God bestows bliss on His faithful adorers and seats them in the eternal home.</strong></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਪੀਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਾਪੀਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਦੇਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਥਿਰੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਹਣਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਰਹਣਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੁਣਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਚੁਣਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਰਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨਰਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘੋਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਘੋਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><strong>To the sinners He allows not stability. Picking them up, He consigns them to the terrible hell.</strong></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਭਗਤਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਦੇਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਆਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਿਆਰੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਗੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਅੰਗੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥੧੯॥</span></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">The Lord blesses His devotees, with His love and taking their side saves them.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>The word-for-word translations seem to match the original words. Is there something lost in the poetry or subtlety?</p><p> </p><p>Do the words in fact mean what they mean in English, but Sikhs are expected to have more background knowledge to be able to read between the lines?</p><p> </p><p>Thanks</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 178170, member: 2709"] Thanks everyone for your replies. If the problem is in the translation, perhaps you can help me get a different perspective with help of the original. [INDENT]If it's ok, can we use this paurhee as an example? [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਭਗਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਾਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਾਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਵਡਿਆਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Lord Himself inspires us to worship Him; He reveals His Glorious Greatness.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਤੀਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਰਤੀਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੇਵ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਸੇਵ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]He Himself inspires us to place our faith in Him. Thus He performs His Own Service.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਭਗਤਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਦੇਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੰਦੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਅਨੰਦੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਥਿਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਰੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਘਰੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080][B]The Lord bestows bliss upon His devotees, and gives them a seat in the eternal home.[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਪੀਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਾਪੀਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਦੇਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਥਿਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਹਣਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਰਹਣਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੁਣਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਚੁਣਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਰਕ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨਰਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘੋਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਘੋਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080][B]He does not give the sinners any stability or place of rest; He consigns them to the depths of hell.[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਭਗਤਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਦੇਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਆਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਿਆਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਗੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਅੰਗੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥੧੯॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Lord blesses His devotees with His Love; He sides with them and saves them. ||19||[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [/INDENT] Manmohan Singh's translation for comparison: [INDENT][FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਭਗਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਾਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਾਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਵਡਿਆਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਵੇਖਾਲੀਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]हरि आपणी भगति कराइ वडिआई वेखालीअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Har āpṇī bẖagaṯ karā▫e vadi▫ā▫ī vekẖāli▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]By putting man to his devotional service, God has manifested His glory.1[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਤੀਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਰਤੀਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਆਪੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੇਵ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਸੇਵ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਘਾਲੀਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]आपणी आपि करे परतीति आपे सेव घालीअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Āpṇī āp kare parṯīṯ āpe sev gẖālī▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]God causes the devotee to place faith in Him and through him performs His own service.[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਭਗਤਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਦੇਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੰਦੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਅਨੰਦੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਥਿਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਰੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਘਰੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਬਹਾਲਿਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]हरि भगता नो देइ अनंदु थिरु घरी बहालिअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e anand thir gẖarī bahāli▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080][B]God bestows bliss on His faithful adorers and seats them in the eternal home.[/B][/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਪੀਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਾਪੀਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਦੇਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਥਿਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਹਣਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਰਹਣਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੁਣਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਚੁਣਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਰਕ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨਰਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘੋਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਘੋਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Pāpī▫ā no na ḏe▫ī thir rahaṇ cẖuṇ narak gẖor cẖāli▫an.[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080][B]To the sinners He allows not stability. Picking them up, He consigns them to the terrible hell.[/B][/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਗਤਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਭਗਤਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੇਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਦੇਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਆਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਿਆਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਗੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਅੰਗੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਅਨੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥੧੯॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]हरि भगता नो देइ पिआरु करि अंगु निसतारिअनु ॥१९॥[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=TAHOMA]Har bẖagṯā no ḏe▫e pi▫ār kar ang nisṯāri▫an. ||19||[/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]The Lord blesses His devotees, with His love and taking their side saves them.[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [/INDENT]The word-for-word translations seem to match the original words. Is there something lost in the poetry or subtlety? Do the words in fact mean what they mean in English, but Sikhs are expected to have more background knowledge to be able to read between the lines? Thanks [/QUOTE]
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