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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 149131" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p><strong>Re: Should We Serve Alcohol as Guru Ka Langar?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Findingmywayji, </p><p></p><p>Just so my posting is not misconstrued, my position as always, is that the drinking of alcohol will hinder your progress through sikhi. </p><p></p><p>Although bhenji, you raise some absolutely valid points, I do not think we need to justify, medically, why sikhs should not drink, the good book says so, and that is enough for me, and should be enough for anyone else. </p><p></p><p>However, and speaking only for myself here, when I have been overcome with lust, I have been more out of control than having a drink, when pride has taken over me, I have acted in a way that shames me now, as for anger, I am not an angry person, but when I do get angry, I very rarely express it, I just get very very quiet, reason being, If I say something, I will end up saying something I will regret, So I never ever say anything in anger, and I just end up getting sad, and very negative. </p><p></p><p>The point being that this is getting quite unfair with all the attention being on drink, its very simple, should we drink, no, we should not, any more than we should be in control of the five thieves, which can have a much more negative effect on our lives than a drink. In my experience, all the people I know that became alcoholics were addicts, if they had not discovered alcohol, it would have been something else, there were deep underlying problems with each and every one of them. I am not sure I know of anyone who drank for the sake of drink and then ended up on the scrapheap. </p><p></p><p>When we as a society come down equally as hard on all the vices we are supposed to stay away from, and see the effect of the liberation from such, believe me, it will make the giving up alcohol argument seem very petty. </p><p></p><p>I will tell you why there is such a problem with alcohol,its visual. I can honestly say my heart breaks when I see a Sirdar with a turban having a beer in a pub. It just looks wrong, and as much as my argument may seem in favor of the odd drink, it is not, I am not in any way advocating the odd whisky, but we have to be realistic and fair, and it bothers me hugely that if you get people to concentrate on giving up the odd drink, which they may enjoy, to find greater spiritual fulfillment, they are going to be very disappointed when they find out that they would have been better off spending their energy becoming less angry, less proud, less lustful, all of which could contribute to a better and more peaceful mind all around</p><p></p><p>apologies if i have offended anyone</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 149131, member: 14641"] [b]Re: Should We Serve Alcohol as Guru Ka Langar?[/b] Findingmywayji, Just so my posting is not misconstrued, my position as always, is that the drinking of alcohol will hinder your progress through sikhi. Although bhenji, you raise some absolutely valid points, I do not think we need to justify, medically, why sikhs should not drink, the good book says so, and that is enough for me, and should be enough for anyone else. However, and speaking only for myself here, when I have been overcome with lust, I have been more out of control than having a drink, when pride has taken over me, I have acted in a way that shames me now, as for anger, I am not an angry person, but when I do get angry, I very rarely express it, I just get very very quiet, reason being, If I say something, I will end up saying something I will regret, So I never ever say anything in anger, and I just end up getting sad, and very negative. The point being that this is getting quite unfair with all the attention being on drink, its very simple, should we drink, no, we should not, any more than we should be in control of the five thieves, which can have a much more negative effect on our lives than a drink. In my experience, all the people I know that became alcoholics were addicts, if they had not discovered alcohol, it would have been something else, there were deep underlying problems with each and every one of them. I am not sure I know of anyone who drank for the sake of drink and then ended up on the scrapheap. When we as a society come down equally as hard on all the vices we are supposed to stay away from, and see the effect of the liberation from such, believe me, it will make the giving up alcohol argument seem very petty. I will tell you why there is such a problem with alcohol,its visual. I can honestly say my heart breaks when I see a Sirdar with a turban having a beer in a pub. It just looks wrong, and as much as my argument may seem in favor of the odd drink, it is not, I am not in any way advocating the odd whisky, but we have to be realistic and fair, and it bothers me hugely that if you get people to concentrate on giving up the odd drink, which they may enjoy, to find greater spiritual fulfillment, they are going to be very disappointed when they find out that they would have been better off spending their energy becoming less angry, less proud, less lustful, all of which could contribute to a better and more peaceful mind all around apologies if i have offended anyone [/QUOTE]
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