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Gurbani (489-503)
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Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Gurbani (696-703)
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Gurbani (728-750)
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Gurbani (795-831)
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Thitteen (838-840)
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Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
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Gurbani (984-988)
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Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
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Solhe (1020-1033)
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Bara Maha (1107-1110)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
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Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
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Gurbani (1319-23)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
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Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="namritanevaeh" data-source="post: 203248" data-attributes="member: 18793"><p>Actually I must say I think any well learned person is likely to be someone's guru, and moreover, each well learned person has the possibility of learning not only most of what is in say a religious book such as ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, but also expanding their knowledge to go further than that. Whether or not you view ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ as "the living guru", the fact of the matter is, if it can not be added to or expanded upon, there is no room for evolution or change with times or anything. Many many good things are said in it, I do NOT dispute that, and I realise I am only scratching the surface of my own personal knowledge of what is in it. I fully admit that. But something that is written down, unless it is given the consideration that it can be rewritten, can be changed, will ultimately grow "old" by society's standards. We're seeing this with the bible on a regular basis where people want to say they are Christian and stay Christian...and yet basically admit in one breath that some of the main testaments to the bible CAN NOT be upheld today (you can not stone someone to death for adultery in North America...I'm not talking about certain countries where it might still happen), and yet they also pick and choose parts that work for them. The translations of today's modern bibles have been so far removed from the original Hebrew and Greek I think there isn't even much left anyhow (and I know that "lost in translation" is a true and serious problem also with ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, however I can't understand it all in punjabi...yet!).</p><p></p><p>I don't want people to think I disrespect that you can learn things from ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, the bible, probably other religious texts too. You absolutely can. But any human being has the possible potential to go further than that. Not many do, in fact I doubt anyone has. But if I had learned enough punjabi to read gurbani and understand it, and basically was a total religious nerd who not only memorized a lot of gurbani but also memorized a lot of the bible, the Koran, knew where they agreed and what parts of ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ incorporated the Koran, could quote them, etc., then quite obviously I could take it to a further level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe I didn't word it super well. Typing on a small phone screen before work maybe wasn't the best way to go. ;-) I wanted to know how they're similar. How different.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually struggle with this concept and phrase a lot. I mean if I said that, indicating that people who move to another area of the world shouldn't be allowed to wear their turbans or kirpans I'd be lynched pretty much... (For example, Britain never had people wearing turbans before whatever time period in question...I don't like to bring North America into the equation since most gora Canadians weren't the first settlers here...). The fact of the matter is...nobody on this forum really KNOWS me, but to the gora community I am one of the strongest supporters of Sikh emblems of faith, of education about what they mean. At vaisakhi I appeared on tv for a brief segment, explaining a bit about it. I helped some Chinese Asians tie on rummals in the gurdwara, explained the kirpan to a white couple...I visit a gurdwara 2-3 times a week, I do sewa there, I participate in Sikh camps, my son goes to a kids' evening in the gurdwara learning about Sikhi...but something I don't do: blindly follow something just because people tell me to. I ask questions. And I make up my mind what works for me. And within Sikhi, some things do, and other things do not. That's how it is and I don't think I can force myself to change that, nor should I.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="namritanevaeh, post: 203248, member: 18793"] Actually I must say I think any well learned person is likely to be someone's guru, and moreover, each well learned person has the possibility of learning not only most of what is in say a religious book such as ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, but also expanding their knowledge to go further than that. Whether or not you view ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ as "the living guru", the fact of the matter is, if it can not be added to or expanded upon, there is no room for evolution or change with times or anything. Many many good things are said in it, I do NOT dispute that, and I realise I am only scratching the surface of my own personal knowledge of what is in it. I fully admit that. But something that is written down, unless it is given the consideration that it can be rewritten, can be changed, will ultimately grow "old" by society's standards. We're seeing this with the bible on a regular basis where people want to say they are Christian and stay Christian...and yet basically admit in one breath that some of the main testaments to the bible CAN NOT be upheld today (you can not stone someone to death for adultery in North America...I'm not talking about certain countries where it might still happen), and yet they also pick and choose parts that work for them. The translations of today's modern bibles have been so far removed from the original Hebrew and Greek I think there isn't even much left anyhow (and I know that "lost in translation" is a true and serious problem also with ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, however I can't understand it all in punjabi...yet!). I don't want people to think I disrespect that you can learn things from ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, the bible, probably other religious texts too. You absolutely can. But any human being has the possible potential to go further than that. Not many do, in fact I doubt anyone has. But if I had learned enough punjabi to read gurbani and understand it, and basically was a total religious nerd who not only memorized a lot of gurbani but also memorized a lot of the bible, the Koran, knew where they agreed and what parts of ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ incorporated the Koran, could quote them, etc., then quite obviously I could take it to a further level. Maybe I didn't word it super well. Typing on a small phone screen before work maybe wasn't the best way to go. ;-) I wanted to know how they're similar. How different. I actually struggle with this concept and phrase a lot. I mean if I said that, indicating that people who move to another area of the world shouldn't be allowed to wear their turbans or kirpans I'd be lynched pretty much... (For example, Britain never had people wearing turbans before whatever time period in question...I don't like to bring North America into the equation since most gora Canadians weren't the first settlers here...). The fact of the matter is...nobody on this forum really KNOWS me, but to the gora community I am one of the strongest supporters of Sikh emblems of faith, of education about what they mean. At vaisakhi I appeared on tv for a brief segment, explaining a bit about it. I helped some Chinese Asians tie on rummals in the gurdwara, explained the kirpan to a white couple...I visit a gurdwara 2-3 times a week, I do sewa there, I participate in Sikh camps, my son goes to a kids' evening in the gurdwara learning about Sikhi...but something I don't do: blindly follow something just because people tell me to. I ask questions. And I make up my mind what works for me. And within Sikhi, some things do, and other things do not. That's how it is and I don't think I can force myself to change that, nor should I. [/QUOTE]
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