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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 184373" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Palaingtha ji thanks for your post.</p><p></p><p> <em><span style="color: blue"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: blue">palaingtha ji your comment is very insulting to the fundamental way Guru ji teach us to acquire wisdom and thence get rid of nonsense that prevailed then and which continues to prevail now. </span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">Please be proper. </span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">The saloaks do not depict the existence of:</span></em></p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: blue">Evil spirits</span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: blue">Bhoots/Ghosts</span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: blue">Preits/Sorcerers</span></em></li> </ul><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">The saloaks simply recognize that some people believed so and it appears based on your post that you still do.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">The saloaks recommend simran-jap/contemplation-seek wisdom so that you may not so believe and recognize the truth.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">Without repeating myself from the first post, Guru ji rarely rebuke people even if they believed in stuff Guru ji did not ask Sikhs to believe in. They rather ask any such caught in these dilemmas to seek wisdom of the creator and with it will come the understanding to free oneself from such ill thought deviations.</span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: blue">Here you have raised two points. Let us review,</span></em><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em> 1. <u>accepts the existence of evil spirits</u></em>: <em>Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not accept the existence of evil spirits and does not espouse it. There is no anti-God or anti-creator in Sikhism versus many other religions like Hinduism, Islam, Christianity to name some which do.</em><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>2. <u>that people practice sorcery</u></em><em>: Of course Guru ji were aware of such people. The only reason for referring to such practices or people could have been to help them right themselves through wisdom. Guru ji did not adopt the style of telling people to stop believing in what they did. Good teachers never do that. Guru ji used the technique of lighting a light of wisdom in people’s hearts so that they right themselves through acquiring wisdom. Many religions like Islam, Christianity and Hinduism use the carrot-stick approach. Our Guru ji did not do that.</em></p><p><em><span style="color: blue">There is nothing about God’s name in you mouth or heart. It is wisdom of the creator that matters and no words or jantar-mantars derived out of words or lines in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Again a common exploitive technique adopted by scrupulous merchants taking advantage of vulnerable within Sikhs and others.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">I respect that you are a wise man. I just don’t understand your fetish and infatuation with this subject in a way not at all supported by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Sat Sri Akal.</span></p><p> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 184373, member: 14194"] Palaingtha ji thanks for your post. [I][COLOR=blue] palaingtha ji your comment is very insulting to the fundamental way Guru ji teach us to acquire wisdom and thence get rid of nonsense that prevailed then and which continues to prevail now. [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Please be proper. [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]The saloaks do not depict the existence of:[/COLOR][/I] [LIST] [*][I][COLOR=blue]Evil spirits[/COLOR][/I] [*][I][COLOR=blue]Bhoots/Ghosts[/COLOR][/I] [*][I][COLOR=blue]Preits/Sorcerers[/COLOR][/I] [/LIST] [I][COLOR=blue]The saloaks simply recognize that some people believed so and it appears based on your post that you still do.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]The saloaks recommend simran-jap/contemplation-seek wisdom so that you may not so believe and recognize the truth.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Without repeating myself from the first post, Guru ji rarely rebuke people even if they believed in stuff Guru ji did not ask Sikhs to believe in. They rather ask any such caught in these dilemmas to seek wisdom of the creator and with it will come the understanding to free oneself from such ill thought deviations.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Here you have raised two points. Let us review,[/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=windowtext] [/COLOR][/I][INDENT][I][COLOR=windowtext] 1. [/COLOR][U][COLOR=windowtext]accepts the existence of evil spirits[/COLOR][/U][/I][COLOR=windowtext]: [/COLOR][I]Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not accept the existence of evil spirits and does not espouse it. There is no anti-God or anti-creator in Sikhism versus many other religions like Hinduism, Islam, Christianity to name some which do.[/I][I][COLOR=windowtext] 2. [/COLOR][U][COLOR=windowtext]that people practice sorcery[/COLOR][/U][/I][I][COLOR=windowtext]: [/COLOR]Of course Guru ji were aware of such people. The only reason for referring to such practices or people could have been to help them right themselves through wisdom. Guru ji did not adopt the style of telling people to stop believing in what they did. Good teachers never do that. Guru ji used the technique of lighting a light of wisdom in people’s hearts so that they right themselves through acquiring wisdom. Many religions like Islam, Christianity and Hinduism use the carrot-stick approach. Our Guru ji did not do that.[/I][/INDENT] [I][COLOR=blue]There is nothing about God’s name in you mouth or heart. It is wisdom of the creator that matters and no words or jantar-mantars derived out of words or lines in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Again a common exploitive technique adopted by scrupulous merchants taking advantage of vulnerable within Sikhs and others.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]I respect that you are a wise man. I just don’t understand your fetish and infatuation with this subject in a way not at all supported by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Sat Sri Akal.[/COLOR] <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> [/QUOTE]
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