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Nihang Jathedars Letter For Excommunicating Niddar Singh
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<blockquote data-quote="Luckysingh" data-source="post: 174112" data-attributes="member: 16886"><p>There's been a lot of talk about excommunicating lately !!!</p><p>This Niddar Singh chappie has done some serious damage here.</p><p>I have known about him for a while and some cousins of mine used to live right near him in Wolverhampton.</p><p> </p><p>He was just an ordinary wolves dude working in some packing factory with other wolves dudes listening to chamkila and all that until he went off to India.</p><p>There he got involved with some old baba that taught him shastar vadiya. This old chappie was supposedly some self claimed master. He claimed he was the 7th or 8th master after Baba Deep Singh in sikh lineage!!!!</p><p>-- I don't know what the truth is and have never checked into it, but Niddar claims he is the 8th or 9th master and needs a succesor !!</p><p> </p><p>Anway this Niddar Singh comes back and then starts teaching shastar to young kids who were also learning ghatka etc.. </p><p>The gurdwaras were ALL very welcoming (sedgley st, Guru Nanak..etc..etc) because he was endorsing these sikh warrior skills. Obviously nothing wrong with sending your kids to learn about what the great sikh warriors did.</p><p>After a while, he gained respect and status and then began to represent the Nihangs. He even helped with a little Nihang revival that was needed.</p><p> </p><p>All in all, he gained a huge following along with respect from all parts of the Midlands and UK sikhs. However, later he started to show more truer colours and started preaching the importance of Nihangs and the Hindu heritage. Infact it went so extreme and anti-sikh that he was basically saying we ARE hindus, they are the masters....we are a subdivision.. sanatan sikhs..blah..blah.....</p><p> </p><p>This is when the real **** hit the fan.</p><p>After been given a few warnings, he madly went even further to state that the khalsa was formed from some shivji hindu warrior and that Guru Gobind Singh ji made or led sikhs to be in the image of shiva and some goddess Kaliki.!!!</p><p> </p><p>The list of his terrible anti-sikh claims goes on and on.. you can see on his websites.</p><p> </p><p>So Parmaji, knowing this I don't think you will feel much sympathy for someone like this.</p><p>Yes, he may have done sikhi some favours by encouraging younger sikhs.</p><p>Me and you know that the youth in UK have always been looking for extracurricular activities and ways out of their streets.- and with these demands things like kung fu, boxing, kick boxing, ninja combats..etc..always came across as attractive and as a way out for the youth.</p><p>So there is nothing wrong with encouraging our young youth with something Sikhi and punjabi compared to far eastern chinese and japanese arts.</p><p>-To make young sikhs feel proud that we had these sikh warriors and the art of shastar is nice when they tell some chinese or black guy at school- it's something for them to be proud of and learn from.</p><p>But his idea was to attract the crowds with his product and then to lead them in a different direction. </p><p>He has caused the nihang jatha to be split further as well as many other sikhs.</p><p> </p><p>To be excommunicated, he is basically stripped of his amrit. Meaning that his amrit is no longer valid, he is no longer a sikh of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.</p><p>Whatever he does, whether he drinks,smokes, visits massage parlours or whatever, it will NOT matter, because he no longer represents khalsa or any other amritdhari sikhs.</p><p>Just like we all ignore the typical punjabies in the pub shub, drugs, smoking and gangs..etc.. everyone will just ignore and not care.</p><p> </p><p>Sayng this, some Gurdwara, depending on the committee may allow him on stage if he wants to plead and ask for forgiveness..etc.</p><p>But he will NOT be allowed to preach, teach or likewise.</p><p>He is still welcome to matha tek and sit with the sangat just like anybody else..ie.. his human rights are all still valid but his khalsa panth rights are not.</p><p> </p><p>You mentioned about such figures that come and go, but his direct damage is serious on all accounts.</p><p>Now, we have to remember that Yogi Bhajan who went to the States and single handedly made over 100,000 sikhs that were amritdhari and true to the khalsa image.</p><p>Regardless of what happens with 3HO nowadays and how they get too mixed with the yoga is not what we should 'blame' the yogi for. </p><p> </p><p>He didn't make his own panth with twisted teachings, but he completely transfrmed the average white hippy into Guru Gobind Singh's sikh. Infact all of the jathedars and bhai sahibs in Akal takht etc.. only ever praised him for what he had done, None of them ever had any reason to fault him or excommunicate him,</p><p>For that, I do respect the work of a single man like him.</p><p>Even today there is NOT a single santh or baba that can influence over 100,000 already sikhs to go ahead and take amrit, whereas he did that to Non-sikhs - remarkable !!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Luckysingh, post: 174112, member: 16886"] There's been a lot of talk about excommunicating lately !!! This Niddar Singh chappie has done some serious damage here. I have known about him for a while and some cousins of mine used to live right near him in Wolverhampton. He was just an ordinary wolves dude working in some packing factory with other wolves dudes listening to chamkila and all that until he went off to India. There he got involved with some old baba that taught him shastar vadiya. This old chappie was supposedly some self claimed master. He claimed he was the 7th or 8th master after Baba Deep Singh in sikh lineage!!!! -- I don't know what the truth is and have never checked into it, but Niddar claims he is the 8th or 9th master and needs a succesor !! Anway this Niddar Singh comes back and then starts teaching shastar to young kids who were also learning ghatka etc.. The gurdwaras were ALL very welcoming (sedgley st, Guru Nanak..etc..etc) because he was endorsing these sikh warrior skills. Obviously nothing wrong with sending your kids to learn about what the great sikh warriors did. After a while, he gained respect and status and then began to represent the Nihangs. He even helped with a little Nihang revival that was needed. All in all, he gained a huge following along with respect from all parts of the Midlands and UK sikhs. However, later he started to show more truer colours and started preaching the importance of Nihangs and the Hindu heritage. Infact it went so extreme and anti-sikh that he was basically saying we ARE hindus, they are the masters....we are a subdivision.. sanatan sikhs..blah..blah..... This is when the real **** hit the fan. After been given a few warnings, he madly went even further to state that the khalsa was formed from some shivji hindu warrior and that Guru Gobind Singh ji made or led sikhs to be in the image of shiva and some goddess Kaliki.!!! The list of his terrible anti-sikh claims goes on and on.. you can see on his websites. So Parmaji, knowing this I don't think you will feel much sympathy for someone like this. Yes, he may have done sikhi some favours by encouraging younger sikhs. Me and you know that the youth in UK have always been looking for extracurricular activities and ways out of their streets.- and with these demands things like kung fu, boxing, kick boxing, ninja combats..etc..always came across as attractive and as a way out for the youth. So there is nothing wrong with encouraging our young youth with something Sikhi and punjabi compared to far eastern chinese and japanese arts. -To make young sikhs feel proud that we had these sikh warriors and the art of shastar is nice when they tell some chinese or black guy at school- it's something for them to be proud of and learn from. But his idea was to attract the crowds with his product and then to lead them in a different direction. He has caused the nihang jatha to be split further as well as many other sikhs. To be excommunicated, he is basically stripped of his amrit. Meaning that his amrit is no longer valid, he is no longer a sikh of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Whatever he does, whether he drinks,smokes, visits massage parlours or whatever, it will NOT matter, because he no longer represents khalsa or any other amritdhari sikhs. Just like we all ignore the typical punjabies in the pub shub, drugs, smoking and gangs..etc.. everyone will just ignore and not care. Sayng this, some Gurdwara, depending on the committee may allow him on stage if he wants to plead and ask for forgiveness..etc. But he will NOT be allowed to preach, teach or likewise. He is still welcome to matha tek and sit with the sangat just like anybody else..ie.. his human rights are all still valid but his khalsa panth rights are not. You mentioned about such figures that come and go, but his direct damage is serious on all accounts. Now, we have to remember that Yogi Bhajan who went to the States and single handedly made over 100,000 sikhs that were amritdhari and true to the khalsa image. Regardless of what happens with 3HO nowadays and how they get too mixed with the yoga is not what we should 'blame' the yogi for. He didn't make his own panth with twisted teachings, but he completely transfrmed the average white hippy into Guru Gobind Singh's sikh. Infact all of the jathedars and bhai sahibs in Akal takht etc.. only ever praised him for what he had done, None of them ever had any reason to fault him or excommunicate him, For that, I do respect the work of a single man like him. Even today there is NOT a single santh or baba that can influence over 100,000 already sikhs to go ahead and take amrit, whereas he did that to Non-sikhs - remarkable !! [/QUOTE]
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