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Gurbani (14-53)
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Gurbani (94-109)
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Gurbani (151-185)
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Gurbani (347-348)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
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Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Gurbani (696-703)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
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Gurbani (721-727)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
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Gurbani (975-980)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
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Kaafee (1014-1016)
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
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Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
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Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
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Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
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Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
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<blockquote data-quote="ekmusafir_ajnabi" data-source="post: 53720" data-attributes="member: 4318"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dear aad0002,</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">What I said should only serve as a warning because rather than saying we are following Gurbani on these lines, these individuals say “Look Gurbani is on the lines of our lifestyle.” They then use extracts from Gurbani and twist the meanings to prove that they “Look are right”.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">As an example, Gyani Jarnail Singh ji’s reply to the Four Yugas he makes a statement</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">An established view by definition – “accepted as true, generally recognized as being true or valid”. Ok we concur. He then quotes a Shabad from SGGS </span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Lets us see what these verses mean:</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">So&shy;ī c</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">an</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> c</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">a</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṛ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">eh sė </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ārė so&shy;ī </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">inī&shy;ar </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">apa</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> rahai.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: navy">The same moon rises, and the same stars; the same sun shines in the sky.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sā </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ar</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ī so pa&shy;u</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> j</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ulārė jug jī&shy;a k</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ėlė thāv kaisė. ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: navy">The earth is the same, and the same wind blows. The age in which we dwell affects living beings, but not these places. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now where does it say there is no Yug. But it clearly say “Jug Jia Khele” , The effect of the Yug is on the Jia (Mind, Living things) and indeed he has proven this point himself that it has already had an effect on him. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">He has mistranslated</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> “</span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">YUG JEEA (Note the emphasis here – bold letters) kheleh thaav keseah” as The Yugas that have been lived, Where are they? Hence concluding that there are no Yugas. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Jīvan </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">alab nivār.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: navy">Give up your attachment to life.</span> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru is telling us to detach ourselves from this body. This body is not your home. </span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">kbIr AYsw eyku AwDu jo jIvq imrqku hoie ]</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kub</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ee</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">r </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ai</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">s</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> e</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ae</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">k </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">dh j</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> j</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ee</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">vuth m</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">i</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ruthuk h</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">e </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Kabeer, rare is such a person, who remains dead while yet alive.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So Kabeer ji is saying rare is such person who has reached this state of mind, Where everything around him is dead yet he is alive i.e</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">his presence is still being felt.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'"><span style="color: blue">inrBY hoie kY gun rvY jq pyKau qq soie ]5]</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">n</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">i</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">rubh</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ai</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> h</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">e k</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ai</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> g</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">u</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">n ruv</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ai</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> juth p</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ae</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kho thuth s</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">e </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, he is fearless. Wherever I look, the Lord is there. ||5||</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The game is all about taming the mind</span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hovai parvā</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ā karahi </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ińā</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ā kal lak</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">a</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> vīc</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ār. ||1|| rahā&shy;o.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: navy">Those who act like tyrants are accepted and approved - recognize that this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The trait of this Yuga is that those who exercise authority unjustly and oppressively gets recognition. You undoubtedly acknowledged Gyani ji’s comments</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Many thanks for taking the time to write in detail. Thanks also for the ang. I will read this. What Nanaak says does not surprise me, but it does require some concentrated thought. And, your conclusion, let's start reading SGGS and take it as a serious guide came through loud and clear.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Why did this happen and it is nobody’s fault. The Word “Gyani” did the trick. Gyani cannot be wrong.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: red"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: red"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: red"></span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Look at the language! Is that from someone with Gyaan?. Does he really understand SGGS himself? Our Gurus have written many many verses on Yugas. So is that all false? And that Gyani ji is right!. I will leave that for the individual to decide.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Sidh Gosht - Pauri 1 - Guru Granth Sahib</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> “</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here again Gyani ji is taking his steam out. His main issue here is on the Meat eating practice and not the explanation on Sidh Ghost. He has tried to convince us here that Meat eating is acceptable. Why do we need to twist Bani to support our evil thoughts. The Sidhas are openly saying in the verses later on that they have for many yugas lived on a diet of fruit and veg etc. It is their “Reet”. Now Gyani is justifying his point by pointing out that Guru ji did not comment on this point and that they totally ignored it. Is that a conclusion that Guru ji has acknowledged Meat eating.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Respected aad002 ji, Age is not a factor in spirituality. Please do not embarrass me, I do not have mastery on anything. I just have “Love” for my Gurus. I just read and read and read Gurbani in rememberance of my Gurus and I put down what I have been able to understand. There is no secret about it but the secret does lie in Kabeer ji’s Shalok</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Kabeer, rare is such a person, who remains dead while yet alive. [1364]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">and also on the same theme</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">slok mÚ 5 ]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">sul</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">k mu 5 </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">Shalok, Dakhanay Fifth Mehl:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">pihlw mrxu kbUil jIvx kI Cif Aws ]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">peh</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">i</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">l</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> murun kub</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">oo</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">l j</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ee</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">vun k</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ee</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> shadd </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">s </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">First, accept death, and give up any hope of life.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">hohu sBnw kI ryxukw qau Awau hmwrY pwis ]1]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">h</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">h</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">u</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> subhun</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> k</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ee</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> r</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ae</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">n</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">u</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">k</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> tho </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">o hum</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">r</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ai</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> p</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">aa</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">s </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">Become the dust of the feet of all, and then, you may come to me. ||1||</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The day you accept the notion of death, that is the day you plan your journey. The day you become a master of your senses is the day your journey begins.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You hear only that, that is necessary, </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">You talk only that, that is necessary, </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">You smell only that, that is necessary, </span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">You see only that, that is necessary</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black">You eat only that, that is necessary for survival – (Is there any room here to go and kill animals to eat)</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bani, Naam Simran, Shabad Guru – They all assist you in your journey. They are a continuous reminder to us. Kirtan instils “Prem” in us just as when you read a loving letter from your partner who is miles away from you. Naam Simran is like when you meet your partner after a very very long time. </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The day this happens is the day you are with the Gurus. The “Love Affair” begins with the Lord. </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">For God’s sake do not build a cage of “Inferiority complex” around you.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I humbly apologise to all if I have hurt anyone’s feelings. My apologies to you too, Gyani ji. What can I say it is GHOR Kalyug. </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Do not accept what I say. Go away and find out if I have not said something I should have as well as what I have said wrong. I will appreciate that.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A note for the younger generation, please listen to Surinder Kaur Cheema ji, If you rely on translations of others, your are bound to be mislead. Gurbani <u>is not</u> a literal translation. It is in a poetic form. These are Guru ji’s Emotions. Get closer to Gurus to feel their Emotions. Fall in love to understand the depth of Emotions. Learn your language. Read literature and even decent novels. It is for you guys to preserve your heritage. </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Finally, accept death first before you take “Amrit”. It only then you get a new lease of life (like the Panj Pyares). Without that it is just Sweet Nector.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The above are my humble opinions, please form your own.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">We are all students.</span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ekmusafir_ajnabi, post: 53720, member: 4318"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Dear aad0002,[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]What I said should only serve as a warning because rather than saying we are following Gurbani on these lines, these individuals say “Look Gurbani is on the lines of our lifestyle.” They then use extracts from Gurbani and twist the meanings to prove that they “Look are right”.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]As an example, Gyani Jarnail Singh ji’s reply to the Four Yugas he makes a statement[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana]An established view by definition – “accepted as true, generally recognized as being true or valid”. Ok we concur. He then quotes a Shabad from SGGS [/FONT] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Lets us see what these verses mean:[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]So­ī c[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]an[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][FONT=Arial] c[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]a[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṛ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]eh sė [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ārė so­ī [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]inī­ar [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]apa[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] rahai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=navy]The same moon rises, and the same stars; the same sun shines in the sky.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Sā [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ḏẖ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ar[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ī so pa­u[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][FONT=Arial] j[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ulārė jug jī­a k[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]ėlė thāv kaisė. ||1||[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=navy]The earth is the same, and the same wind blows. The age in which we dwell affects living beings, but not these places. ||1||[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Now where does it say there is no Yug. But it clearly say “Jug Jia Khele” , The effect of the Yug is on the Jia (Mind, Living things) and indeed he has proven this point himself that it has already had an effect on him. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]He has mistranslated[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial] “[/FONT][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]YUG JEEA (Note the emphasis here – bold letters) kheleh thaav keseah” as The Yugas that have been lived, Where are they? Hence concluding that there are no Yugas. [/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Jīvan [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]alab nivār.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=navy]Give up your attachment to life.[/COLOR] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Guru is telling us to detach ourselves from this body. This body is not your home. [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy]kbIr AYsw eyku AwDu jo jIvq imrqku hoie ][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]kub[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ee[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]r [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ai[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]s[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] e[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ae[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]k [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]dh j[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]o[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] j[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ee[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]vuth m[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]i[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ruthuk h[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]o[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]e [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Kabeer, rare is such a person, who remains dead while yet alive.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]So Kabeer ji is saying rare is such person who has reached this state of mind, Where everything around him is dead yet he is alive i.e[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy]. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]his presence is still being felt.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy][COLOR=blue]inrBY hoie kY gun rvY jq pyKau qq soie ]5][/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]n[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]i[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]rubh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ai[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] h[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]o[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]e k[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ai[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] g[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]u[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]n ruv[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ai[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] juth p[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ae[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]kho thuth s[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]o[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]e [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Verdana]Singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, he is fearless. Wherever I look, the Lord is there. ||5||[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana]The game is all about taming the mind[/FONT][/B] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Hovai parvā[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ā karahi [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ḏẖ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ińā[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ā kal lak[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][FONT=Arial]a[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][FONT=Arial] vīc[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]ār. ||1|| rahā­o.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=navy]Those who act like tyrants are accepted and approved - recognize that this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1||Pause||[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The trait of this Yuga is that those who exercise authority unjustly and oppressively gets recognition. You undoubtedly acknowledged Gyani ji’s comments[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Many thanks for taking the time to write in detail. Thanks also for the ang. I will read this. What Nanaak says does not surprise me, but it does require some concentrated thought. And, your conclusion, let's start reading SGGS and take it as a serious guide came through loud and clear.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Why did this happen and it is nobody’s fault. The Word “Gyani” did the trick. Gyani cannot be wrong.[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=red] [/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Look at the language! Is that from someone with Gyaan?. Does he really understand SGGS himself? Our Gurus have written many many verses on Yugas. So is that all false? And that Gyani ji is right!. I will leave that for the individual to decide.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“Sidh Gosht - Pauri 1 - Guru Granth Sahib[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] “[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Here again Gyani ji is taking his steam out. His main issue here is on the Meat eating practice and not the explanation on Sidh Ghost. He has tried to convince us here that Meat eating is acceptable. Why do we need to twist Bani to support our evil thoughts. The Sidhas are openly saying in the verses later on that they have for many yugas lived on a diet of fruit and veg etc. It is their “Reet”. Now Gyani is justifying his point by pointing out that Guru ji did not comment on this point and that they totally ignored it. Is that a conclusion that Guru ji has acknowledged Meat eating.[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Respected aad002 ji, Age is not a factor in spirituality. Please do not embarrass me, I do not have mastery on anything. I just have “Love” for my Gurus. I just read and read and read Gurbani in rememberance of my Gurus and I put down what I have been able to understand. There is no secret about it but the secret does lie in Kabeer ji’s Shalok[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Kabeer, rare is such a person, who remains dead while yet alive. [1364][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]and also on the same theme[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy]slok mÚ 5 ][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]sul[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]o[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]k mu 5 [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Shalok, Dakhanay Fifth Mehl:[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy]pihlw mrxu kbUil jIvx kI Cif Aws ][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]peh[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]i[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]l[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] murun kub[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]oo[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]l j[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ee[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]vun k[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ee[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] shadd [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]s [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]First, accept death, and give up any hope of life.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy]hohu sBnw kI ryxukw qau Awau hmwrY pwis ]1][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]h[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]o[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]h[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]u[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] subhun[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] k[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ee[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] r[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ae[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]n[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]u[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]k[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] tho [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]o hum[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]r[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]ai[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] p[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]aa[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]s [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Become the dust of the feet of all, and then, you may come to me. ||1||[/COLOR][/FONT] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The day you accept the notion of death, that is the day you plan your journey. The day you become a master of your senses is the day your journey begins.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You hear only that, that is necessary, [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]You talk only that, that is necessary, [/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]You smell only that, that is necessary, [/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]You see only that, that is necessary[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]You eat only that, that is necessary for survival – (Is there any room here to go and kill animals to eat)[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Bani, Naam Simran, Shabad Guru – They all assist you in your journey. They are a continuous reminder to us. Kirtan instils “Prem” in us just as when you read a loving letter from your partner who is miles away from you. Naam Simran is like when you meet your partner after a very very long time. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The day this happens is the day you are with the Gurus. The “Love Affair” begins with the Lord. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]For God’s sake do not build a cage of “Inferiority complex” around you.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I humbly apologise to all if I have hurt anyone’s feelings. My apologies to you too, Gyani ji. What can I say it is GHOR Kalyug. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Do not accept what I say. Go away and find out if I have not said something I should have as well as what I have said wrong. I will appreciate that.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A note for the younger generation, please listen to Surinder Kaur Cheema ji, If you rely on translations of others, your are bound to be mislead. Gurbani [U]is not[/U] a literal translation. It is in a poetic form. These are Guru ji’s Emotions. Get closer to Gurus to feel their Emotions. Fall in love to understand the depth of Emotions. Learn your language. Read literature and even decent novels. It is for you guys to preserve your heritage. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Finally, accept death first before you take “Amrit”. It only then you get a new lease of life (like the Panj Pyares). Without that it is just Sweet Nector.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The above are my humble opinions, please form your own.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We are all students.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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