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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 139846" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Ishna ji and I quote and comment below with your excerpts in red,</p><p> <span style="color: red">I realised this the other night. Ambarsaria said she didn't encounter repetition of the word "Waheguru" growing up around Amritsar.</span></p><p> <em>Ishna ji you really don’t need to call me he or she but <u>definitely not she</u>.</em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">But the Rehat Maryada instructs one to do so:</span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span> <span style="color: Red">Quote:</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: Red">[SIZE=-1]<strong>Meditating on Nam (Divine Substance) and Scriptures</strong><strong><em></em></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: Red"><strong><em>Article IV </em></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: Red"> 1. A Sikh should wake up in the ambrosial hours (three hours before the dawn), take bath and, concentrating his/her thoughts on One Immortal Being, repeat the name Waheguru (Wondrous Destroyer of darkness). [/SIZE]</span></span><table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 0in;" width="0" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr style=""><td style="border: 1pt inset; padding: 0.75pt;"> </p><p></td></tr></tbody></table> <em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Ishna ji the word Nam and its association with Simran is not specified. So the question is what does “repeat the Nam” mean.</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Extremely dangerous just like Gurbani tuk quoting to quote sentences and not the whole in my opinion from Sikh Rehat Maryada.</span></em></p><p></p><p> <a href="http://sgpc.net/sikhism/punjabi/sikh-dharma-manual.asp" target="_blank">http://sgpc.net/sikhism/punjabi/sikh-dharma-manual.asp</a></p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></span></strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></span></strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">SKsI rihxI</span></span></strong></p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">1) nwm bwxI dw AiBAws[ </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">2) gurimq dI rihxI[ </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">3) syvw </span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">nwm bwxI dw AiBAws</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">1. is`K AMimRq vyly (pihr rwq rihMdI) jwg ky ieSnwn kry Aqy iek Akwl purK dw iDAwn krdw hoieAw 'vwihgurU' nwm jpy [</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">2. inqnym dw pwT kry[ inqnym dIAW bwxIAW ieh hn:-</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">jpu, jwpu Aqy 10 sv`Xy ('sRwvg suD' vwly)- ieh bwxIAW AMimRq vyly pVHnIAW[ </span></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">so dru rihrws-</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> Swm vyly sUrj fu`by pVHnI[ ies ivc ieh bwxIAW Swml hn:- </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dy ivc ilKy hoey nO Sbd ('so dru' qoN lY ky 'srix pry kI rwKhu srmw' qk), bynqI cOpeI pwqSwhI 10 ('hmrI kro hwQ dy r`Cw' qoN lY ky 'dust doK qy lyhu bcweI' qk, sÍYXw ('pwie ghY jb qy qumry') Aqy dohrw ('sgl duAwr kau Cwif kY') AnMd dIAW pihlIAW pMj pauVIAW qy AMqlI iek pauVI',muMdwvxI qy slok mhlw 5 'qyrw kIqw jwqo nwhI['</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"><strong>soihlw-</strong> ieh bwxI rwq nUM sOx vyly pVHnI[</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">AMimRq vyly Aqy sodru vyly dy inqnym qoN auprMq Ardws krnI zrUuurI hY [</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">3. (a) Ardws ieh hY:-</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"><> vwihgurU jI kI &qih]</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> sRI BgOqI jI shwie] vwr sRI BgOqI jI kI pwqSwhI 10] ipRQm BgOqI ismir kY gur nwnk leIN iDAwie] iPr AMgd gur qy Amrdwsu rwmdwsY hoeIN shwie] Arjn hrgoibMd no ismrO sRI hirrwie] sRI hirikRSn iDAwieAY ijs ifTY siB duK jwie] qyg bhwdr ismirAY Gr nau iniD AwvY Dwie] sB QWeI hoie shwie] dsvW pwqSwh sRI gurU goibMd isMG swihb jI! sB QWeI hoie shwie] dsW pwqSwhIAW dI joq sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dy pwT dIdwr dw iDAwn Dr ky bolo jI vwihgurU!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> pMjW ipAwirAW,cOhW swihbzwidAW, cwlHIAW mukiqAW, hTIAW jpIAW, qpIAW, ijhnW nwm jipAw, vMf CikAw, dyg clweI, qyg vwhI, dyK ky Axif`T kIqw, iqnHW ipAwirAW, sicAwirAW dI kmweI dw iDAwn Dr ky, Kwlsw jI ! bolo jI vwihgurU!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> ijnHW isMGW isMGxIAW ny Drm hyq sIs id`qy, bMd bMd ktwey, KoprIAW luhweIAW, crKIAW qy cVy, AwirAW nwl icrwey gey, gurdvwirAW dI syvw leI kurbwnIAW kIqIAW, Drm nhIN hwirAw, is`KI kysW suAwsW nwl inbwhI, iqnHW dI kmweI dw iDAwn Dr ky Kwlsw jI! bolo jI vwihgurU! pMjW qKqW, srb`q gurduAwirAW dw iDAwn Dr ky bolo jI vwihgurU! </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> ipRQmy srb`q Kwlsw jI kI Ardws hY jI, srb`q Kwlsw jI ko vwihgurU, vwihgurU, vwihgurU icq Awvy, ic`q Awvn kw sdkw srb suK hovy[ jhW jhW Kwlsw jI swihb, qhW qhW riCAw irAwieq, dyg qyg &qh, ibrd kI pYj, pMQ kI jIq, sRI swihb jI shwie, Kwlsy jI ky bol bwly, bolo jI vwihgurU!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> is`KW nUM is`KI dwn, kys dwn, rihq dwn, ibbyk dwn, ivswh dwn, Brosw dwn, dwnW isr dwn, nwm dwn sRI AMimRqsr jI dy ieSnwn, cOkIAW, JMfy, buMgy, jugo jug At`l, Drm kw jYkwr, bolo jI vwihgurU!!!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> is`KW dw mn nIvW, mq au~cI mq dw rwKw Awip vwihgurU[</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> hy Akwl purK Awpxy pMQ dy sdw shweI dwqwr jIE! sRI nnkwxw swihb qy hor gurduAwirAW gurDwmW dy, ijnHW qoN pMQ nUM ivCoiVAw igAw hY, KulHy drSn dIdwr qy syvw sMBwl dw dwn ^wlsw jI nUM bKSo[</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">hy inmwixAW dy mwx, inqwixAW dy qwx, inEitAW dI Et, s`cy ipqw, vwihgurU! Awp dy hzUr.....dI Ardws hY jI[</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> A`Kr vwDw Gwtw Bu`l cu`k mwP krnI[ srb`q dy kwrj rws krny[</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> syeI ipAwry myl, ijnHW imilAW qyrw nwm icq Awvy[ nwnk nwm cVHdI klw, qyry Bwxy srb`q dw Blw[</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"> ies qoN auprMq Ardws ivc Swml hox vwlI swrI sMgq sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI A`gy Adb nwl m`Qw tyky Aqy iPr KVHy ho ky 'vwihGuruU jI kw ^wlsw, vwihgurU jI kI Pqih' bulwvy[ aupRMq 'siq sRI Akwl' dw jYkwrw gjwieAw jwvy[</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">A) Ardws hox smyN sMgq 'c hwzr swry iesqrI purSW nUM h`Q joV ky Kloxw cwhIdw hY[ jo s`jx sRI gurU gRMQ swihb dI qwibAw bYTw hovy, auh BI au~T ky cOr kry[</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">e) Ardws krn vwlw sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dy snmu~K KVHo ky, h`Q joV ky Ardws kry[ jy sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI mOjUd nw hox qW iksy pwsy mUMh krky Ardws kro, pRvwn hY[ </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">s) jdoN koeI Kws Ardws iksy iek jW vDIk AwdmIAW vloN hovy, qW auhnW qoN ibnW sMgq ivc bYTy hornW dw auTxw zrUurI nhIN[</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">From the above I take the following,</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1. </span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Person wakes up in the wee hours.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2. </span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">As you get up in bed and alight from your bed you massage your eyes, open them and say Waheguru. Waheguru Simran is not called for. If you say Waheguru more than once that should be Ok but it is not a Rhythmic, dancing, jhooming scenario but a quiet, reflective and peaceful set up. People say like "Waheguru terah shuker hai", "waheguru changa din charhaheen", "waheguru sarian da bhalaah karin", and so on.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">3. </span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You go brush/datan, take shower/bath.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">4. </span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You do as a global activity the following in Amrit velay (this is where you are once you woke up in the wee hours and had your shower but generally before you eat breakfast),</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">nwm bwxI dw AiBAws[</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Read well how it is not Nam Abhias but Nam Bani and the appropriate Nitnem Banis are clearly stated as,</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'WebAkharSlim'">jpu, jwpu Aqy 10 sv`Xy ('sRwvg suD' vwly)- ieh bwxIAW AMimRq vyly pVHnIAW[ </span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In my opinion ( I am just one), the Nam is used much in the context of remembering God and having Him in sight and within you all the time. Repeating Waheguru Waheguru for a period of time is not the way to achieve it. Doing it all the time that way will not achieve it either as you will not be able to do anything else and will grossly miss out on rest of Sikh Rehat Maryada.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I submit the above without any comments on second citation of SRM as the logic is the same.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">One has a choice for any given time period and its usage as an example,</span></p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You can do Waheguru Waheguru or other word/words of your choice for that time.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You can do study of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and our Guru’s lives and experiences and other studies.</span></li> </ul><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Our Gurus and their teaching tell us the following,</span></p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Closing eyes is not going to get you to find God within</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Chanting mantirs, etc., is not going to get you to find God within</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Doing contortions is not going to get you to find God within</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Doing pujas is not going to get you to find God within</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Etc., as the list of such and many Hindu, Muslim and other pakhands is very very long</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You will find God within through self enlightenment and knowledge</span></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">One of the great researcher and well known Canadian put it very simply and powerfully,</span></p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">“Medium is the Message”</span></p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">So look at the medium differences in classic simran scenarios versus enlightenment through discovery and study while containing kam, karodh, lobh, moh and hanker as these will keep resetting you close to the starting line if gone to the extreme.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">My object is not to prove you wrong nor to prove me right.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It is to as much to share our understandings.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">All the best.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sat Sri Akal.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">PS: <em>Some people like yourself and jagtkhalsa seem to imply that my mention of Amritsar or visiting Sri Harmandir Sahib somehow implied a pride as though it made me better than either of you or others. This is a mis-representation or if true I regret such statement(s) on my part. I only shared my experiences. I would love to see others to share their personal experiences as it adds a personality and reality to the expressed belief or understanding.</em></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 139846, member: 14194"] Ishna ji and I quote and comment below with your excerpts in red, [COLOR=red]I realised this the other night. Ambarsaria said she didn't encounter repetition of the word "Waheguru" growing up around Amritsar.[/COLOR] [I]Ishna ji you really don’t need to call me he or she but [U]definitely not she[/U].[/I] [COLOR=Red]But the Rehat Maryada instructs one to do so: [/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]Quote:[/COLOR] [FONT=arial][COLOR=Red][SIZE=-1][B]Meditating on Nam (Divine Substance) and Scriptures[/B][B][I] Article IV [/I][/B] 1. A Sikh should wake up in the ambrosial hours (three hours before the dawn), take bath and, concentrating his/her thoughts on One Immortal Being, repeat the name Waheguru (Wondrous Destroyer of darkness). [/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 0in;" width="0" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr style=""><td style="border: 1pt inset; padding: 0.75pt;"> </td></tr></tbody></table> [I][FONT=Arial]Ishna ji the word Nam and its association with Simran is not specified. So the question is what does “repeat the Nam” mean.[/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial]Extremely dangerous just like Gurbani tuk quoting to quote sentences and not the whole in my opinion from Sikh Rehat Maryada.[/FONT][/I] [url]http://sgpc.net/sikhism/punjabi/sikh-dharma-manual.asp[/url] [CENTER][CENTER][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=WebAkharSlim] SKsI rihxI[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/CENTER] [/CENTER] [FONT=WebAkharSlim]1) nwm bwxI dw AiBAws[ 2) gurimq dI rihxI[ 3) syvw [/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim] [/FONT][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=WebAkharSlim]nwm bwxI dw AiBAws[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [FONT=WebAkharSlim]1. is`K AMimRq vyly (pihr rwq rihMdI) jwg ky ieSnwn kry Aqy iek Akwl purK dw iDAwn krdw hoieAw 'vwihgurU' nwm jpy [ 2. inqnym dw pwT kry[ inqnym dIAW bwxIAW ieh hn:-[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim]jpu, jwpu Aqy 10 sv`Xy ('sRwvg suD' vwly)- ieh bwxIAW AMimRq vyly pVHnIAW[ [/FONT] [B][FONT=WebAkharSlim]so dru rihrws-[/FONT][/B][FONT=WebAkharSlim] Swm vyly sUrj fu`by pVHnI[ ies ivc ieh bwxIAW Swml hn:- sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dy ivc ilKy hoey nO Sbd ('so dru' qoN lY ky 'srix pry kI rwKhu srmw' qk), bynqI cOpeI pwqSwhI 10 ('hmrI kro hwQ dy r`Cw' qoN lY ky 'dust doK qy lyhu bcweI' qk, sÍYXw ('pwie ghY jb qy qumry') Aqy dohrw ('sgl duAwr kau Cwif kY') AnMd dIAW pihlIAW pMj pauVIAW qy AMqlI iek pauVI',muMdwvxI qy slok mhlw 5 'qyrw kIqw jwqo nwhI[' [B]soihlw-[/B] ieh bwxI rwq nUM sOx vyly pVHnI[ AMimRq vyly Aqy sodru vyly dy inqnym qoN auprMq Ardws krnI zrUuurI hY [[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim] 3. (a) Ardws ieh hY:-[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim]<> vwihgurU jI kI &qih][/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim] sRI BgOqI jI shwie] vwr sRI BgOqI jI kI pwqSwhI 10] ipRQm BgOqI ismir kY gur nwnk leIN iDAwie] iPr AMgd gur qy Amrdwsu rwmdwsY hoeIN shwie] Arjn hrgoibMd no ismrO sRI hirrwie] sRI hirikRSn iDAwieAY ijs ifTY siB duK jwie] qyg bhwdr ismirAY Gr nau iniD AwvY Dwie] sB QWeI hoie shwie] dsvW pwqSwh sRI gurU goibMd isMG swihb jI! sB QWeI hoie shwie] dsW pwqSwhIAW dI joq sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dy pwT dIdwr dw iDAwn Dr ky bolo jI vwihgurU! pMjW ipAwirAW,cOhW swihbzwidAW, cwlHIAW mukiqAW, hTIAW jpIAW, qpIAW, ijhnW nwm jipAw, vMf CikAw, dyg clweI, qyg vwhI, dyK ky Axif`T kIqw, iqnHW ipAwirAW, sicAwirAW dI kmweI dw iDAwn Dr ky, Kwlsw jI ! bolo jI vwihgurU! ijnHW isMGW isMGxIAW ny Drm hyq sIs id`qy, bMd bMd ktwey, KoprIAW luhweIAW, crKIAW qy cVy, AwirAW nwl icrwey gey, gurdvwirAW dI syvw leI kurbwnIAW kIqIAW, Drm nhIN hwirAw, is`KI kysW suAwsW nwl inbwhI, iqnHW dI kmweI dw iDAwn Dr ky Kwlsw jI! bolo jI vwihgurU! pMjW qKqW, srb`q gurduAwirAW dw iDAwn Dr ky bolo jI vwihgurU! ipRQmy srb`q Kwlsw jI kI Ardws hY jI, srb`q Kwlsw jI ko vwihgurU, vwihgurU, vwihgurU icq Awvy, ic`q Awvn kw sdkw srb suK hovy[ jhW jhW Kwlsw jI swihb, qhW qhW riCAw irAwieq, dyg qyg &qh, ibrd kI pYj, pMQ kI jIq, sRI swihb jI shwie, Kwlsy jI ky bol bwly, bolo jI vwihgurU! is`KW nUM is`KI dwn, kys dwn, rihq dwn, ibbyk dwn, ivswh dwn, Brosw dwn, dwnW isr dwn, nwm dwn sRI AMimRqsr jI dy ieSnwn, cOkIAW, JMfy, buMgy, jugo jug At`l, Drm kw jYkwr, bolo jI vwihgurU!!! is`KW dw mn nIvW, mq au~cI mq dw rwKw Awip vwihgurU[[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim] hy Akwl purK Awpxy pMQ dy sdw shweI dwqwr jIE! sRI nnkwxw swihb qy hor gurduAwirAW gurDwmW dy, ijnHW qoN pMQ nUM ivCoiVAw igAw hY, KulHy drSn dIdwr qy syvw sMBwl dw dwn ^wlsw jI nUM bKSo[ hy inmwixAW dy mwx, inqwixAW dy qwx, inEitAW dI Et, s`cy ipqw, vwihgurU! Awp dy hzUr.....dI Ardws hY jI[[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim] A`Kr vwDw Gwtw Bu`l cu`k mwP krnI[ srb`q dy kwrj rws krny[[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim] syeI ipAwry myl, ijnHW imilAW qyrw nwm icq Awvy[ nwnk nwm cVHdI klw, qyry Bwxy srb`q dw Blw[ ies qoN auprMq Ardws ivc Swml hox vwlI swrI sMgq sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI A`gy Adb nwl m`Qw tyky Aqy iPr KVHy ho ky 'vwihGuruU jI kw ^wlsw, vwihgurU jI kI Pqih' bulwvy[ aupRMq 'siq sRI Akwl' dw jYkwrw gjwieAw jwvy[ A) Ardws hox smyN sMgq 'c hwzr swry iesqrI purSW nUM h`Q joV ky Kloxw cwhIdw hY[ jo s`jx sRI gurU gRMQ swihb dI qwibAw bYTw hovy, auh BI au~T ky cOr kry[ e) Ardws krn vwlw sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dy snmu~K KVHo ky, h`Q joV ky Ardws kry[ jy sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI mOjUd nw hox qW iksy pwsy mUMh krky Ardws kro, pRvwn hY[ s) jdoN koeI Kws Ardws iksy iek jW vDIk AwdmIAW vloN hovy, qW auhnW qoN ibnW sMgq ivc bYTy hornW dw auTxw zrUurI nhIN[[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]From the above I take the following,[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]1. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Person wakes up in the wee hours.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]2. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]As you get up in bed and alight from your bed you massage your eyes, open them and say Waheguru. Waheguru Simran is not called for. If you say Waheguru more than once that should be Ok but it is not a Rhythmic, dancing, jhooming scenario but a quiet, reflective and peaceful set up. People say like "Waheguru terah shuker hai", "waheguru changa din charhaheen", "waheguru sarian da bhalaah karin", and so on. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]3. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]You go brush/datan, take shower/bath.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]4. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]You do as a global activity the following in Amrit velay (this is where you are once you woke up in the wee hours and had your shower but generally before you eat breakfast),[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim]nwm bwxI dw AiBAws[[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Read well how it is not Nam Abhias but Nam Bani and the appropriate Nitnem Banis are clearly stated as,[/FONT] [FONT=WebAkharSlim]jpu, jwpu Aqy 10 sv`Xy ('sRwvg suD' vwly)- ieh bwxIAW AMimRq vyly pVHnIAW[ [/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]In my opinion ( I am just one), the Nam is used much in the context of remembering God and having Him in sight and within you all the time. Repeating Waheguru Waheguru for a period of time is not the way to achieve it. Doing it all the time that way will not achieve it either as you will not be able to do anything else and will grossly miss out on rest of Sikh Rehat Maryada.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I submit the above without any comments on second citation of SRM as the logic is the same.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]One has a choice for any given time period and its usage as an example,[/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Arial]You can do Waheguru Waheguru or other word/words of your choice for that time.[/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial]You can do study of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and our Guru’s lives and experiences and other studies.[/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Arial]Our Gurus and their teaching tell us the following,[/FONT] [LIST] [*] [LIST] [*][FONT=Arial]Closing eyes is not going to get you to find God within[/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial]Chanting mantirs, etc., is not going to get you to find God within[/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial]Doing contortions is not going to get you to find God within[/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial]Doing pujas is not going to get you to find God within[/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial]Etc., as the list of such and many Hindu, Muslim and other pakhands is very very long[/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial]You will find God within through self enlightenment and knowledge[/FONT] [/LIST] [/LIST] [FONT=Arial]One of the great researcher and well known Canadian put it very simply and powerfully,[/FONT] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=Arial]“Medium is the Message”[/FONT][/CENTER] [/CENTER] [FONT=Arial]So look at the medium differences in classic simran scenarios versus enlightenment through discovery and study while containing kam, karodh, lobh, moh and hanker as these will keep resetting you close to the starting line if gone to the extreme.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]My object is not to prove you wrong nor to prove me right.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]It is to as much to share our understandings.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]All the best.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Sat Sri Akal.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]PS: [I]Some people like yourself and jagtkhalsa seem to imply that my mention of Amritsar or visiting Sri Harmandir Sahib somehow implied a pride as though it made me better than either of you or others. This is a mis-representation or if true I regret such statement(s) on my part. I only shared my experiences. I would love to see others to share their personal experiences as it adds a personality and reality to the expressed belief or understanding.[/I][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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