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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 3177" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Re: "Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><strong>"Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak</strong></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><em>No one is a child of a lesser God</em></p><p></p><p>Most religions were created like exclusive bazaars to lasso the followers in shopping only in their respective market places. If they chose to shop in some other bazaar they would be punished and would end up in a dungeon called hell. The perfect scare tactics used by Hinduism, Islam and Christanity.</p><p> </p><p>These religions claimed to have the only key to unlock the padlock of spirituality.</p><p> </p><p>Padlock??</p><p> </p><p>Yes, padlock. Religions based on fear needed to have their 'cattle' fenced and blindfolded so they could not peek on the other side.</p><p> </p><p>This 'My God is better than yours' doctrine continued for centuries till the birth of GURU NANAK. He saw that the religions of the time had become exclusive clubs busy in criticising others' in order to create an impression of their 'golf courses' being more attractive with less sand traps.</p><p> </p><p>Guru Nanak saw IK ONG KAAR totally differently than what the honchos of Hinduism, Islam and Christanity projected ONE GOD to be. He took the monoply out of the hands of the chosen classes thus made the path...the link..the connection with IK ONG KAAR for all. He showed that every soul on this universe and beyond has the same right and is also bestowed with the same light. If the Sun, ONE GOD'S creation gives warmth to all peoples from all relgions and creeds then how can ONE GOD only belongs to the few..the so called chosen ones??!!</p><p> </p><p>What Guru Nanak did was very courageous. He condemned these religions - the feuding gods- and showed them the universality of IK ONG KAAR.</p><p> </p><p>He refuted all the silly rituals in the religions and showed that seeking GOD was not as tricky as the Brahimns, Mullahs and the Christian clergy projected it to be and GOD'S grace did not only fall on those who ate halal meat or those who created caste system to supress the others nor did it fall on the 'Born againers'. Born again Christians claim that only those who are born again are saved.</p><p> </p><p>Saved from what??</p><p> </p><p>It shows that thier deity did not do a good job the very first time.</p><p> </p><p>Following is one of many verses in The Bible that shows how fear hatred and anger is used in christanity:-</p><p> </p><p>God said to the others, Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)</p><p> </p><p>Guru Nanak's questioning of these silly rituals evolved into a different school of thought. He made people see that everyone had the same right irrespective of their socio-economic status. He called himself a SIKH- a Student - A Seeker of IK ONG KAAR. It is a must to notice that Guru Nanak ( who never called himself a Guru) did not name his followers after his name but gave all including himself a single name SIKH- A Learner.</p><p> </p><p>A Sikh embraces the world with open arms, sans fear. Fear based religions make people live in fetal position.</p><p> </p><p>How can one embrace IK ONG KAAR in that posture??!!!</p><p> </p><p>Sikhism means a group of students who collectively have one goal and that is to learn about themselves and others so all can become better than what they are.</p><p> </p><p>Sikhism is IDEA BASED religion unlike most of the others that are personality based. Our GURU, our teacher is GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI not a person, which is the fruit of 200 some years of evolution through 10 teachers instilling ONE IDEA- of ONE GOD for all.</p><p> </p><p>Sikhism was not created by some magical miracle like the religions mentioned where 'God' gave the authority to the chosen few, in this particular case Jesus and Mohammed. God that picks and chooses is NOT ONE TRUE GOD as we are all HIS children. Hence the logical conclusion which can be derived from these schools of thought is that some people thought themselves as gods and/or the exclusive messengers where ONE GOD only spoke to/ through them. These beings who pretended to be gods or the exclusive spokespersons of the Almighty got emboldened and created means of terror and fear to control the weak and the ignorant. They created a carrot and stick concept by inventing Heaven and Hell in the worlds beyond. They told all those who did not adhere to their teaching would perish in Hell and those who followed them would end up in a Utopia called heaven. Some even threw 72 virgins in the gift basket.They even named them God fearing. The fear trick worked, rather very well.</p><p> </p><p>Guru Nanak thought all this as nothing but hypocricy. He showed people that we all are gifts from GOD and showed them that only Love is the connection. In order to cultivate this love, He taught people a 3 step program, Worship, Work and Welfare. Thousands of people specially the weak, the fearful got attracted to this new open gate seeking ONE GOD concept. They rejected their silly rituals and unfruitful beliefs thus became Sikhs- The Learners, the followers of Truth.</p><p> </p><p>Hence this unique school of thought became a religion of the SEEKERS called Sikhism where people from all hues and creeds could come together and praise ONE TRUE GOD sans scary dogma of Hell or Heaven.</p><p> </p><p>"Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak</p><p> </p><p>The above lines from Guru Nanak have been distorted by other religions, specially by Hindus, Muslims and the Converted Christians who have been indoctrinated not to think on their own. BTW, A person that converts from one religion to the other ( religion shopping) is only trying to change its spots by changing rituals that fit a particular faith. He has been blindfolded and can not see that goodness needs none of it.</p><p> </p><p>Now back to the above verse:-</p><p> </p><p>What Guru Nanak meant was that we are all IK ONG KAAR'S children irrespective of our hue, creed or faith.</p><p> </p><p>Christians and Muslims have been brainwashed to think that their respective Deities are the only Portal/s to ONE GOD's realm. By sheer trickery they created thier own wells where thier respective frogs could dwell and remain in those self created little worlds rather than live in THE ONE universal ocean of love and understanding.</p><p> </p><p>In conclusion, I would like to add that Hindu, Christian, Muslim are religious labels whereas being a SIKH is a way of life.</p><p> </p><p>"Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak. All are Seekers, learners, students...Sikhs.</p><p> </p><p>No one is a child of a lesser god.</p><p> </p><p>The same thought process is again expressed in the following Shabad by 5th Guru which shows the continuation of IDEA BASED ONE GOD.</p><p> </p><p>This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Kaanraa on Pannaa 1299</p><p> </p><p>kwnVw mhlw 5 ]</p><p>kaanarraa mehalaa 5 ||</p><p>Kaanraa, Fifth Mehl:</p><p></p><p>ibsir geI sB qwiq prweI ]</p><p>bisar gee sabh thaath paraaee ||</p><p>I have totally forgotten my jealousy of others,</p><p></p><p>jb qy swDsMgiq moih pweI ]1] rhwau ]</p><p>jab thae saadhhasa(n)gath mohi paaee ||1|| rehaao ||</p><p>since I found the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ||1||Pause||</p><p></p><p>nw ko bYrI nhI ibgwnw sgl sMig hm kau bin AweI ]1]</p><p>naa ko bairee nehee bigaanaa sagal sa(n)g ham ko ban aaee ||1||</p><p>No one is my enemy, and no one is a stranger. I get along with everyone. ||1||</p><p></p><p>jo pRB kIno so Bl mwinE eyh sumiq swDU qy pweI ]2]</p><p>jo prabh keeno so bhal maaniou eaeh sumath saadhhoo thae paaee ||2||</p><p>Whatever God does, I accept that as good. This is the sublime wisdom I have obtained from the Holy. ||2||</p><p></p><p>sB mih riv rihAw pRBu eykY pyiK pyiK nwnk ibgsweI ]3]8]</p><p>sabh mehi rav rehiaa prabh eaekai paekh paekh naanak bigasaaee ||3||8||</p><p>The One God is pervading in all. Gazing upon Him, beholding Him, Nanak blossoms forth in happiness. ||3||8||</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Tejwant</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 3177, member: 138"] Re: "Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak [CENTER][B]"Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak[/B][/CENTER] [I][/I] [CENTER][I]No one is a child of a lesser God[/I][/CENTER] Most religions were created like exclusive bazaars to lasso the followers in shopping only in their respective market places. If they chose to shop in some other bazaar they would be punished and would end up in a dungeon called hell. The perfect scare tactics used by Hinduism, Islam and Christanity. These religions claimed to have the only key to unlock the padlock of spirituality. Padlock?? Yes, padlock. Religions based on fear needed to have their 'cattle' fenced and blindfolded so they could not peek on the other side. This 'My God is better than yours' doctrine continued for centuries till the birth of GURU NANAK. He saw that the religions of the time had become exclusive clubs busy in criticising others' in order to create an impression of their 'golf courses' being more attractive with less sand traps. Guru Nanak saw IK ONG KAAR totally differently than what the honchos of Hinduism, Islam and Christanity projected ONE GOD to be. He took the monoply out of the hands of the chosen classes thus made the path...the link..the connection with IK ONG KAAR for all. He showed that every soul on this universe and beyond has the same right and is also bestowed with the same light. If the Sun, ONE GOD'S creation gives warmth to all peoples from all relgions and creeds then how can ONE GOD only belongs to the few..the so called chosen ones??!! What Guru Nanak did was very courageous. He condemned these religions - the feuding gods- and showed them the universality of IK ONG KAAR. He refuted all the silly rituals in the religions and showed that seeking GOD was not as tricky as the Brahimns, Mullahs and the Christian clergy projected it to be and GOD'S grace did not only fall on those who ate halal meat or those who created caste system to supress the others nor did it fall on the 'Born againers'. Born again Christians claim that only those who are born again are saved. Saved from what?? It shows that thier deity did not do a good job the very first time. Following is one of many verses in The Bible that shows how fear hatred and anger is used in christanity:- God said to the others, Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children." (Ezekiel 9:5-6) Guru Nanak's questioning of these silly rituals evolved into a different school of thought. He made people see that everyone had the same right irrespective of their socio-economic status. He called himself a SIKH- a Student - A Seeker of IK ONG KAAR. It is a must to notice that Guru Nanak ( who never called himself a Guru) did not name his followers after his name but gave all including himself a single name SIKH- A Learner. A Sikh embraces the world with open arms, sans fear. Fear based religions make people live in fetal position. How can one embrace IK ONG KAAR in that posture??!!! Sikhism means a group of students who collectively have one goal and that is to learn about themselves and others so all can become better than what they are. Sikhism is IDEA BASED religion unlike most of the others that are personality based. Our GURU, our teacher is GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI not a person, which is the fruit of 200 some years of evolution through 10 teachers instilling ONE IDEA- of ONE GOD for all. Sikhism was not created by some magical miracle like the religions mentioned where 'God' gave the authority to the chosen few, in this particular case Jesus and Mohammed. God that picks and chooses is NOT ONE TRUE GOD as we are all HIS children. Hence the logical conclusion which can be derived from these schools of thought is that some people thought themselves as gods and/or the exclusive messengers where ONE GOD only spoke to/ through them. These beings who pretended to be gods or the exclusive spokespersons of the Almighty got emboldened and created means of terror and fear to control the weak and the ignorant. They created a carrot and stick concept by inventing Heaven and Hell in the worlds beyond. They told all those who did not adhere to their teaching would perish in Hell and those who followed them would end up in a Utopia called heaven. Some even threw 72 virgins in the gift basket.They even named them God fearing. The fear trick worked, rather very well. Guru Nanak thought all this as nothing but hypocricy. He showed people that we all are gifts from GOD and showed them that only Love is the connection. In order to cultivate this love, He taught people a 3 step program, Worship, Work and Welfare. Thousands of people specially the weak, the fearful got attracted to this new open gate seeking ONE GOD concept. They rejected their silly rituals and unfruitful beliefs thus became Sikhs- The Learners, the followers of Truth. Hence this unique school of thought became a religion of the SEEKERS called Sikhism where people from all hues and creeds could come together and praise ONE TRUE GOD sans scary dogma of Hell or Heaven. "Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak The above lines from Guru Nanak have been distorted by other religions, specially by Hindus, Muslims and the Converted Christians who have been indoctrinated not to think on their own. BTW, A person that converts from one religion to the other ( religion shopping) is only trying to change its spots by changing rituals that fit a particular faith. He has been blindfolded and can not see that goodness needs none of it. Now back to the above verse:- What Guru Nanak meant was that we are all IK ONG KAAR'S children irrespective of our hue, creed or faith. Christians and Muslims have been brainwashed to think that their respective Deities are the only Portal/s to ONE GOD's realm. By sheer trickery they created thier own wells where thier respective frogs could dwell and remain in those self created little worlds rather than live in THE ONE universal ocean of love and understanding. In conclusion, I would like to add that Hindu, Christian, Muslim are religious labels whereas being a SIKH is a way of life. "Na koi hindu na koi mussalman" - Guru Nanak. All are Seekers, learners, students...Sikhs. No one is a child of a lesser god. The same thought process is again expressed in the following Shabad by 5th Guru which shows the continuation of IDEA BASED ONE GOD. This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Kaanraa on Pannaa 1299 kwnVw mhlw 5 ] kaanarraa mehalaa 5 || Kaanraa, Fifth Mehl: ibsir geI sB qwiq prweI ] bisar gee sabh thaath paraaee || I have totally forgotten my jealousy of others, jb qy swDsMgiq moih pweI ]1] rhwau ] jab thae saadhhasa(n)gath mohi paaee ||1|| rehaao || since I found the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ||1||Pause|| nw ko bYrI nhI ibgwnw sgl sMig hm kau bin AweI ]1] naa ko bairee nehee bigaanaa sagal sa(n)g ham ko ban aaee ||1|| No one is my enemy, and no one is a stranger. I get along with everyone. ||1|| jo pRB kIno so Bl mwinE eyh sumiq swDU qy pweI ]2] jo prabh keeno so bhal maaniou eaeh sumath saadhhoo thae paaee ||2|| Whatever God does, I accept that as good. This is the sublime wisdom I have obtained from the Holy. ||2|| sB mih riv rihAw pRBu eykY pyiK pyiK nwnk ibgsweI ]3]8] sabh mehi rav rehiaa prabh eaekai paekh paekh naanak bigasaaee ||3||8|| The One God is pervading in all. Gazing upon Him, beholding Him, Nanak blossoms forth in happiness. ||3||8|| Tejwant [/QUOTE]
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