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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="S|kH" data-source="post: 4658" data-attributes="member: 217"><p>Hmm, you do realize being gay is directly against Islam?</p><p>It's not even a question, you can't even bring it up, like the way you bring it up with Sikhi. </p><p></p><p>For that, actions are punishable, and under those circumstances most muslims believe the father is the punisher. It's really not anything new....just kinda saying, you should have expected an answer like that? </p><p></p><p>First of all, I don't think a person even needs to be religious for them to say what she said. Because homosexuality is just different than what they do, they hate it. </p><p></p><p>Second, you being gay, you shouldn't expect society to open up arms happily, and you should realize you will always be in a miniority, and should DEFINETLY not assume Muslims or Christians will help you. Both of these religions state explicitly that homosexuality is against them. If you don't expect anything from people, than they can't harm you. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I wouldn't beat the hell out of my child if he was gay, but I would be dissappointed. Similar to how I would be dissappointed if he made many other bad decisions. Gave up sikhi, kesh, procreation...they have all gotten mankind so far, and for him to just give one up, would be a huge dissappointment to me. If he chose not to procreate, I would be dissappointed in the same way that if he chose to abuse the sacredness of sexual activity and became a porn-star. </p><p></p><p>Does this make your impression of all Sikhs bad now? Because of the things I've stated are my personal opinions? Or, because of our debate in the other topic on gay issues, wouldn't you expect an answer like this from me, because you mostly know my views on the issue.</p><p></p><p>If you take away the expectation, no answer will harm you. </p><p></p><p>I use it with the "dating game". Since I have a beard, I'm automatically not too attractive, nothing to get bent up on. I just dont expect girls who have no assosciation with Sikhs to look at me in a respectful manner or have interest in me (physically). If it happens, it happens, but when you expect an answer, you are often let down, and then generalizations and hatred arises. </p><p></p><p>Anyways, your friend is still your friend, and I assume she knows your gay? Therefore, she still practices equality as she probably doesn't treat you all that much different. But, when its your own family its something else. I dont think you should really get mad about it. You'll face worse things in life, why do you care how she raises HER child? She probably has dreams of little grandchildren running around, or that one day she will be there when her daughter gives birth to a grandchild like the way she gave birth to her daughter. But, homosexuality destroys all that, it's a big thing, it changes dreams of your children in one slash. </p><p></p><p>I'm sure you have dreams to that involve other people and their actions, possibly loved ones that are really close to you. If they made a decision that completely changed your dreams, I'm sure you would feel hurt or dissappointed. As far as the whole beating the child thing goes, I think thats a bit far, and wrong.</p><p></p><p>Just don't be angry man..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S|kH, post: 4658, member: 217"] Hmm, you do realize being gay is directly against Islam? It's not even a question, you can't even bring it up, like the way you bring it up with Sikhi. For that, actions are punishable, and under those circumstances most muslims believe the father is the punisher. It's really not anything new....just kinda saying, you should have expected an answer like that? First of all, I don't think a person even needs to be religious for them to say what she said. Because homosexuality is just different than what they do, they hate it. Second, you being gay, you shouldn't expect society to open up arms happily, and you should realize you will always be in a miniority, and should DEFINETLY not assume Muslims or Christians will help you. Both of these religions state explicitly that homosexuality is against them. If you don't expect anything from people, than they can't harm you. Personally, I wouldn't beat the hell out of my child if he was gay, but I would be dissappointed. Similar to how I would be dissappointed if he made many other bad decisions. Gave up sikhi, kesh, procreation...they have all gotten mankind so far, and for him to just give one up, would be a huge dissappointment to me. If he chose not to procreate, I would be dissappointed in the same way that if he chose to abuse the sacredness of sexual activity and became a porn-star. Does this make your impression of all Sikhs bad now? Because of the things I've stated are my personal opinions? Or, because of our debate in the other topic on gay issues, wouldn't you expect an answer like this from me, because you mostly know my views on the issue. If you take away the expectation, no answer will harm you. I use it with the "dating game". Since I have a beard, I'm automatically not too attractive, nothing to get bent up on. I just dont expect girls who have no assosciation with Sikhs to look at me in a respectful manner or have interest in me (physically). If it happens, it happens, but when you expect an answer, you are often let down, and then generalizations and hatred arises. Anyways, your friend is still your friend, and I assume she knows your gay? Therefore, she still practices equality as she probably doesn't treat you all that much different. But, when its your own family its something else. I dont think you should really get mad about it. You'll face worse things in life, why do you care how she raises HER child? She probably has dreams of little grandchildren running around, or that one day she will be there when her daughter gives birth to a grandchild like the way she gave birth to her daughter. But, homosexuality destroys all that, it's a big thing, it changes dreams of your children in one slash. I'm sure you have dreams to that involve other people and their actions, possibly loved ones that are really close to you. If they made a decision that completely changed your dreams, I'm sure you would feel hurt or dissappointed. As far as the whole beating the child thing goes, I think thats a bit far, and wrong. Just don't be angry man.. [/QUOTE]
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