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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="S|kH" data-source="post: 6277" data-attributes="member: 217"><p><strong>Re: Most of the Sikhs have left Sikhe behind to succeed in life</strong></p><p></p><p>Hm, I've done my own analysis of the Punjabi-culture effect and, if they wish to speak of castes, the "Jat-Sikhs". </p><p></p><p>From what I can tell, Jats are the first ones to leave Sikhi behind, but this is not to completely forget Sikhi. They are the first ones, I would say, to come to America, get into the "hip-hop scene" and cut their hair. Be those "Punjabi-thugs" you always see walking the street. Whilst some may argue this is bad, I consider these types of people as "reserves". If something were to happen, this "Jat-Sikh" would easily defend a fellow Sikh (Sardar) in either a fight or even start keeping the kesh himself if he noticed alot of hatred to him. </p><p></p><p>While many of the other castes who are not as prone to the kesh-cutting, you can easily tell that once they cut it, they actually lose all significance of Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>Now, let me prove how these statements have actually nothing related to caste and more to the punjabi-culture. There is one thing that no one can change, and that is that Sikhs have created what is pre-dominantly known as the Punjabi-culture. And no matter where you reside, for many more decades the view, the look of a Sikh will be a Sardar. The look of a Punjabi, the very essence will still remain a Sardar. Times will change, and our changing soon, but as of now its still assosciated with a Sardar, and the legacy will always remain this way. This is one positive influence of Punjabi-culture, it makes Sardars more easily accepted in thier punjabi communities and even sometimes glorified. Now, Jat-Sikhs are mostly farmers of the Punjab region, and the most practitioners of the culture that was apparent. Yes, when they came to America, they cut their kesh, but they raised their children with hardcore influence from Punjabi culture with all the bad things it has. This gives the children an innate sense of feeling for true Sikhs regardless of if they become one or not. Of course, this is due to lack of education that they totally leave Sikhi behind, but the children are still more prone to being a Sikh.</p><p></p><p>Now, what happens in other castes is completely different. They are not even as accepted as being part of the culture in Punjab! Since, most is all about the Jat there, and even the songs and culture are speaking of Jats. When they come to America, they attempt to raise their children off similar Sikh principles (not always true), this results in the child either keeping his kesh, or completely abadoning it. But the difference here is, if he abadones it, he does not have Punjabi-cultural influence of what a Sardar holds, or a Sikh holds, and the brother-hood is lost too. </p><p></p><p>It actually has nothing related to caste, but how one individual was raised. There are Jats who are raised to be hardcore Sikhs and are completely disgusted at Punjabi culture, just as there are Ramgharias completely into it. You can only give so much philosophy without a sense of culture or "fun".</p><p>You need to feed a little bit of both and eventually when the child is mature, he will keep the philosophy and abadon the culture. </p><p></p><p>I can tell you from viewing the Sikhs in England, that Punjabi culture has 1 positive effect -- that is, it makes a Sardar look much more accepted and "handsome". And, I'm sure mostly everyone can agree the Sikhs in England have done the best job of maintaining the identity while being involved in their new culture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S|kH, post: 6277, member: 217"] [b]Re: Most of the Sikhs have left Sikhe behind to succeed in life[/b] Hm, I've done my own analysis of the Punjabi-culture effect and, if they wish to speak of castes, the "Jat-Sikhs". From what I can tell, Jats are the first ones to leave Sikhi behind, but this is not to completely forget Sikhi. They are the first ones, I would say, to come to America, get into the "hip-hop scene" and cut their hair. Be those "Punjabi-thugs" you always see walking the street. Whilst some may argue this is bad, I consider these types of people as "reserves". If something were to happen, this "Jat-Sikh" would easily defend a fellow Sikh (Sardar) in either a fight or even start keeping the kesh himself if he noticed alot of hatred to him. While many of the other castes who are not as prone to the kesh-cutting, you can easily tell that once they cut it, they actually lose all significance of Sikhi. Now, let me prove how these statements have actually nothing related to caste and more to the punjabi-culture. There is one thing that no one can change, and that is that Sikhs have created what is pre-dominantly known as the Punjabi-culture. And no matter where you reside, for many more decades the view, the look of a Sikh will be a Sardar. The look of a Punjabi, the very essence will still remain a Sardar. Times will change, and our changing soon, but as of now its still assosciated with a Sardar, and the legacy will always remain this way. This is one positive influence of Punjabi-culture, it makes Sardars more easily accepted in thier punjabi communities and even sometimes glorified. Now, Jat-Sikhs are mostly farmers of the Punjab region, and the most practitioners of the culture that was apparent. Yes, when they came to America, they cut their kesh, but they raised their children with hardcore influence from Punjabi culture with all the bad things it has. This gives the children an innate sense of feeling for true Sikhs regardless of if they become one or not. Of course, this is due to lack of education that they totally leave Sikhi behind, but the children are still more prone to being a Sikh. Now, what happens in other castes is completely different. They are not even as accepted as being part of the culture in Punjab! Since, most is all about the Jat there, and even the songs and culture are speaking of Jats. When they come to America, they attempt to raise their children off similar Sikh principles (not always true), this results in the child either keeping his kesh, or completely abadoning it. But the difference here is, if he abadones it, he does not have Punjabi-cultural influence of what a Sardar holds, or a Sikh holds, and the brother-hood is lost too. It actually has nothing related to caste, but how one individual was raised. There are Jats who are raised to be hardcore Sikhs and are completely disgusted at Punjabi culture, just as there are Ramgharias completely into it. You can only give so much philosophy without a sense of culture or "fun". You need to feed a little bit of both and eventually when the child is mature, he will keep the philosophy and abadon the culture. I can tell you from viewing the Sikhs in England, that Punjabi culture has 1 positive effect -- that is, it makes a Sardar look much more accepted and "handsome". And, I'm sure mostly everyone can agree the Sikhs in England have done the best job of maintaining the identity while being involved in their new culture. [/QUOTE]
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