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<blockquote data-quote="kawalsin" data-source="post: 92575" data-attributes="member: 7651"><p>Dear Bhagat Singh ji</p><p> </p><p>Let me attempt to reply the first and last of your questions.</p><p> </p><p>1. What is enlightenment?. English as a language has severe limitations when we try to explain the concepts of Gumat. I will try my best. </p><p> </p><p>Gurbani calls it Anand. English translates it as "Bliss" which in Gurmat is synonym of Enlightenment. Guru Amardaas Ji says in Anand Sahib (Ang 922) </p><p> </p><p>" <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਅਨਦੁ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਵਡਭਾਗੀਹੋ ਸਗਲ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਉਤਰੇ ਸਗਲ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਵਿਸੂਰੇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥" </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">"Listen to the song of bliss, O most fortunate ones; all your longings shall be fulfilled. I have obtained the Supreme Lord God, and all sorrows have been forgotten"</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So, in Gurmat Enlightenment means "Obtaining the Supreme Lord God", a state where "all your longings shall be fulfilled" and "and all sorrows have been forgotten".</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Now the last of your questions " How does knowledge, understanding, logical and rational thinking and scientific study affect <span style="font-size: 12px">"</span><span style="font-size: 12px">enlightenment" / "</span><span style="font-size: 12px">spiritual enlightenment?"</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">They are actually the biggest hindrance in attainment of Enlightenment. </span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Let us get an example from Gurbani again. Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Aasaa Raag ( Ang 396) says, </span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">"<span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਈਐ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਤੁਠਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਜੋ ਦੇਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਈਐ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"Cunning and cleverness are of no use. That which the Lord Master gives, by the Pleasure of His Will — that is pleasing to me."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਈਐ <span style="font-size: 12px">can also be translated as " Worldly Cleverness and knowledge do not help at all in attaining 'Sukh' ". It is again the limitation of the English language that this point is difficult to understand by anyone not fully versed in Gurmukhi and Gurbani.</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I would like to humbly submit that there are certain things that can be explained and there are others that can only be experienced. A few of the examples of ther latter are Love, God, Death, Enlightenment. As Guru Nanak Dev Ji has said in Japji Sahib (Ang 2)</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"</span>ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥"</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">"Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words."</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Kabir Ji says in Raag Gauree (Ang 340)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">"ਬਾਵਨ ਅਛਰ ਲੋਕ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਛੁ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਏ ਅਖਰ ਖਿਰਿ ਜਾਹਿਗੇ ਓਇ ਅਖਰ ਇਨ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੧</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਜਹਾ ਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਅਛਰ ਆਵਾ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਜਹ ਅਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਮਨੁ ਨ ਰਹਾਵਾ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਬੋਲ ਅਬੋਲ ਮਧਿ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਜਸ ਓਹੁ ਹੈ ਤਸ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਲਖੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੨</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਅਲਹ ਲਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ ਕਹਉ ਤ ਕੋ ਉਪਕਾਰ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਬਟਕ ਬੀਜ ਮਹਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਓ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਜਾ ਕੋ ਤੀਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਬਿਸਥਾਰ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੩</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥"</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">"Through these fifty-two letters, the three worlds and all things are described. These letters shall perish; they cannot describe the Imperishable Lord. || 1 || Wherever there is speech, there are letters. Where there is no speech, there, the mind rests on nothing. He is in both speech and silence. No one can know Him as He is. || 2 || If I come to know the Lord, what can I say; what good does it do to speak? He is contained in the seed of the banyan-tree, and yet, His expanse spreads across the three worlds. || 3 ||"</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Just as Sun and Light are in-separable, so are God and Enlightenment. Light comes with Sun and Enlightenment comes with God. In one way, therefore, God and Enlightenment are the one and the same thing. They cannot be explained, only experienced.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Daas</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: #000000">Kawaljit Singh</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kawalsin, post: 92575, member: 7651"] Dear Bhagat Singh ji Let me attempt to reply the first and last of your questions. 1. What is enlightenment?. English as a language has severe limitations when we try to explain the concepts of Gumat. I will try my best. Gurbani calls it Anand. English translates it as "Bliss" which in Gurmat is synonym of Enlightenment. Guru Amardaas Ji says in Anand Sahib (Ang 922) " [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਅਨਦੁ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਵਡਭਾਗੀਹੋ ਸਗਲ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਉਤਰੇ ਸਗਲ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਵਿਸੂਰੇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥" [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=AnmolUniBani][COLOR=navy][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri]"Listen to the song of bliss, O most fortunate ones; all your longings shall be fulfilled. I have obtained the Supreme Lord God, and all sorrows have been forgotten"[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]So, in Gurmat Enlightenment means "Obtaining the Supreme Lord God", a state where "all your longings shall be fulfilled" and "and all sorrows have been forgotten".[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Now the last of your questions " How does knowledge, understanding, logical and rational thinking and scientific study affect [SIZE=3]"[/SIZE][SIZE=3]enlightenment" / "[/SIZE][SIZE=3]spiritual enlightenment?"[/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]They are actually the biggest hindrance in attainment of Enlightenment. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Let us get an example from Gurbani again. Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Aasaa Raag ( Ang 396) says, [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]"[COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਈਐ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਤੁਠਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਜੋ ਦੇਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਈਐ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]"Cunning and cleverness are of no use. That which the Lord Master gives, by the Pleasure of His Will — that is pleasing to me."[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਈਐ [SIZE=3]can also be translated as " Worldly Cleverness and knowledge do not help at all in attaining 'Sukh' ". It is again the limitation of the English language that this point is difficult to understand by anyone not fully versed in Gurmukhi and Gurbani.[/SIZE] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][SIZE=3]I would like to humbly submit that there are certain things that can be explained and there are others that can only be experienced. A few of the examples of ther latter are Love, God, Death, Enlightenment. As Guru Nanak Dev Ji has said in Japji Sahib (Ang 2)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][COLOR=navy][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][SIZE=3]"[/SIZE]ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥"[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]"Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words."[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Kabir Ji says in Raag Gauree (Ang 340)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]"ਬਾਵਨ ਅਛਰ ਲੋਕ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਛੁ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਏ ਅਖਰ ਖਿਰਿ ਜਾਹਿਗੇ ਓਇ ਅਖਰ ਇਨ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਜਹਾ ਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਅਛਰ ਆਵਾ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਜਹ ਅਬੋਲ ਤਹ ਮਨੁ ਨ ਰਹਾਵਾ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਬੋਲ ਅਬੋਲ ਮਧਿ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਜਸ ਓਹੁ ਹੈ ਤਸ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਲਖੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਅਲਹ ਲਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ ਕਹਉ ਤ ਕੋ ਉਪਕਾਰ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਬਟਕ ਬੀਜ ਮਹਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਓ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਜਾ ਕੋ ਤੀਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਬਿਸਥਾਰ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੩[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥"[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]"Through these fifty-two letters, the three worlds and all things are described. These letters shall perish; they cannot describe the Imperishable Lord. || 1 || Wherever there is speech, there are letters. Where there is no speech, there, the mind rests on nothing. He is in both speech and silence. No one can know Him as He is. || 2 || If I come to know the Lord, what can I say; what good does it do to speak? He is contained in the seed of the banyan-tree, and yet, His expanse spreads across the three worlds. || 3 ||"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Just as Sun and Light are in-separable, so are God and Enlightenment. Light comes with Sun and Enlightenment comes with God. In one way, therefore, God and Enlightenment are the one and the same thing. They cannot be explained, only experienced.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Daas[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][COLOR=#000000]Kawaljit Singh[/COLOR][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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