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<blockquote data-quote="Original" data-source="post: 211042" data-attributes="member: 14400"><p>..No, not some sarovar, but specifically, "Amritsar" sarovar.</p><p></p><p>If you were to dig deep from a historical perspective, you will come across the "Dukh Bhanjani Ber Sahib" [tree], which stands within the complex, Golden Temple; supplemented as it were by range and variety of the sources that you can critically evaluate for information sake. Once authenticity has been established, albeit a story corroborating the root and branch of the tree's genus and the pond [sarovar], with its "allegedly" mystical healing powers, you will with various biases allowed for, conclude a reasonable reconstruction of the Sikh History as it really is.</p><p></p><p>Pls answer the following, if you can - thank you:</p><p></p><p>1..over a 100,000 footfall a day is recorded at the holy shrine of Amritsar; why travel all that way when Gurus' [SGGSJ] darshan can be had at a local Gurdwara ?</p><p></p><p>2. Why build the holy shrine where it currently is built when abundant other locations were equitably and economically more favourable ?</p><p></p><p>Goodnight</p><p></p><p>[doublepost=1477992069,1477953743][/doublepost]Good morning All</p><p></p><p>..I'm afraid belief is something that is assigned to the irrational nature of the humans that we are; intelligence falls completely outside of it. I note your compliment and concerns, however.</p><p></p><p>But look, you try reasoning with 2.2 billion Christians that Jesus couldn't have risen from the dead, more so, try telling 1.6 billion Islamite's that Mohammed couldn't have had the Quran Sharif narrated to Him by a human with wings [angel Gabriel]. Similarly, try reasoning with those 100,000 pilgrimages who visit the holy shrine of Amritsar everyday that the sarovar doesn't have any mystical powers ?</p><p></p><p>In a nutshell then, belief cannot be reasoned or objectively experimented with to confirm validity of metaphysical truths. And as a result, weighty questions of this type are left to the "faith" of the individual for it falls outside the realms of knowledge [material and form]. That is to say, "evidence of things unseen". And indeed, rational minds are not comfortable with that, hence, irrational.</p><p></p><p>..let us look at the word "literal" and see how it should or ought to be interpreted: for example, you saying to your step-son, "go and get a loaf of bread" accompanying the act with a £5 note, which you give in his hand. Now, your son will be unable to execute the order without interpretation. Common sense and good faith tell the son that his father's meaning was this:</p><p>1. he should go immediately or as soon as practicable</p><p>2. that the money handed to him is intended to pay for the purchase</p><p>3. that he should buy bread, the type which is usually consumed at their home</p><p>4. that it is not out of sell-by-date and he pays fair price</p><p>5. that he go to the local family store</p><p>6. that he return the rest of the money to his father after the purchase</p><p>7. that he bring the bread home in good faith</p><p>Now suppose on the other hand, you being afraid of being misunderstood had mentioned these 7 specifications in that order, you would not have obtained your object, if it were to exclude all possibility of misunderstanding. For the various specifications would have required new ones. Where would be the end ? We are constrained then always, to leave considerable part of our meaning to be found out by interpretations.</p><p></p><p>Interpretation, in other words, is not something that happens in cases of doubt or difficulty; it happens whenever anyone tries to understand language used by another. Usually the process of understanding is instinctive and immediate. It requires no conscious thought and is not therefore even noticed. The task of the recipient of conveyance is to give the words to be construed their literal meaning, notwithstanding, whether the result is sensible or not. However pedantic the conveyor, there will be much that he will have to leave to common sense of the recipient.</p><p></p><p>In view of that, I move on to the case in point, meaning; <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਸਰੁ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਸਤਿਵਾਦੀ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਜਿਤੁ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਨਾਤੈ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%8A%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਕਊਆ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਹੰਸੁ </span></u></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #ff00ff">ਹੋਹੈ</span></u></a><span style="color: #ff00ff">॥</span></p><p></p><p>Transliteration:</p><p></p><p>ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ - deathless, eternity</p><p>ਸਰੁ - pond, tank</p><p>ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ - true guru</p><p>ਸਤਿਵਾਦੀ - pious, righteous, permanent</p><p>ਜਿਤੁ - within which or whosoever</p><p>ਨਾਤੈ - bathed, swam</p><p>ਕਊਆ - crow</p><p>ਹੰਸੁ - swan</p><p>ਹੋਹੈ" - became</p><p></p><p>You don't need Albert Einstein to work that one out, it's that simple !</p><p></p><p>For the sake of the task to hand read the above shabad in conjunction with the story told by Seeker2013 above [Rajni].</p><p></p><p>As for "agenda" - I'm grateful to SPN for allowing me to spell out Sikh to the best of my virtue and wisdom. If I'd be considered a writer you're my writing - thank you Sir and good day !</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Original, post: 211042, member: 14400"] ..No, not some sarovar, but specifically, "Amritsar" sarovar. If you were to dig deep from a historical perspective, you will come across the "Dukh Bhanjani Ber Sahib" [tree], which stands within the complex, Golden Temple; supplemented as it were by range and variety of the sources that you can critically evaluate for information sake. Once authenticity has been established, albeit a story corroborating the root and branch of the tree's genus and the pond [sarovar], with its "allegedly" mystical healing powers, you will with various biases allowed for, conclude a reasonable reconstruction of the Sikh History as it really is. Pls answer the following, if you can - thank you: 1..over a 100,000 footfall a day is recorded at the holy shrine of Amritsar; why travel all that way when Gurus' [SGGSJ] darshan can be had at a local Gurdwara ? 2. Why build the holy shrine where it currently is built when abundant other locations were equitably and economically more favourable ? Goodnight [doublepost=1477992069,1477953743][/doublepost]Good morning All ..I'm afraid belief is something that is assigned to the irrational nature of the humans that we are; intelligence falls completely outside of it. I note your compliment and concerns, however. But look, you try reasoning with 2.2 billion Christians that Jesus couldn't have risen from the dead, more so, try telling 1.6 billion Islamite's that Mohammed couldn't have had the Quran Sharif narrated to Him by a human with wings [angel Gabriel]. Similarly, try reasoning with those 100,000 pilgrimages who visit the holy shrine of Amritsar everyday that the sarovar doesn't have any mystical powers ? In a nutshell then, belief cannot be reasoned or objectively experimented with to confirm validity of metaphysical truths. And as a result, weighty questions of this type are left to the "faith" of the individual for it falls outside the realms of knowledge [material and form]. That is to say, "evidence of things unseen". And indeed, rational minds are not comfortable with that, hence, irrational. ..let us look at the word "literal" and see how it should or ought to be interpreted: for example, you saying to your step-son, "go and get a loaf of bread" accompanying the act with a £5 note, which you give in his hand. Now, your son will be unable to execute the order without interpretation. Common sense and good faith tell the son that his father's meaning was this: 1. he should go immediately or as soon as practicable 2. that the money handed to him is intended to pay for the purchase 3. that he should buy bread, the type which is usually consumed at their home 4. that it is not out of sell-by-date and he pays fair price 5. that he go to the local family store 6. that he return the rest of the money to his father after the purchase 7. that he bring the bread home in good faith Now suppose on the other hand, you being afraid of being misunderstood had mentioned these 7 specifications in that order, you would not have obtained your object, if it were to exclude all possibility of misunderstanding. For the various specifications would have required new ones. Where would be the end ? We are constrained then always, to leave considerable part of our meaning to be found out by interpretations. Interpretation, in other words, is not something that happens in cases of doubt or difficulty; it happens whenever anyone tries to understand language used by another. Usually the process of understanding is instinctive and immediate. It requires no conscious thought and is not therefore even noticed. The task of the recipient of conveyance is to give the words to be construed their literal meaning, notwithstanding, whether the result is sensible or not. However pedantic the conveyor, there will be much that he will have to leave to common sense of the recipient. In view of that, I move on to the case in point, meaning; [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਸਰੁ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%80'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਸਤਿਵਾਦੀ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਜਿਤੁ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਨਾਤੈ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%8A%E0%A8%86'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਕਊਆ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਹੰਸੁ [/COLOR][/U][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88'][U][COLOR=#ff00ff]ਹੋਹੈ[/COLOR][/U][/URL][COLOR=#ff00ff]॥[/COLOR] Transliteration: ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ - deathless, eternity ਸਰੁ - pond, tank ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ - true guru ਸਤਿਵਾਦੀ - pious, righteous, permanent ਜਿਤੁ - within which or whosoever ਨਾਤੈ - bathed, swam ਕਊਆ - crow ਹੰਸੁ - swan ਹੋਹੈ" - became You don't need Albert Einstein to work that one out, it's that simple ! For the sake of the task to hand read the above shabad in conjunction with the story told by Seeker2013 above [Rajni]. As for "agenda" - I'm grateful to SPN for allowing me to spell out Sikh to the best of my virtue and wisdom. If I'd be considered a writer you're my writing - thank you Sir and good day ! [/QUOTE]
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