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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Luckysingh" data-source="post: 208109" data-attributes="member: 16886"><p>That's an opinion that you are rightfully entitled to. However, we should always try in every way to not speak ill of other faiths. Most of the time it's because we cannot understand.</p><p>Bains sahib ji, ..I'm not saying your opinion is correct and neither am I saying it is wrong, but I can give you a few little pointers that may make you view a little bit with a different light.</p><p></p><p>The bible and most of the religions are full of metaphors and parables. It is foolish to think of them as real stories. This even refers to when phrases are used in the parable, un some context to make our awareness understand the degree of emotions, strength or 'feel' matter they are pointing at.....since these factors cannot be measured and documented. For example, when someone says that "God's temple is my ROCK when I need him to lean on" .....doesn't mean that a piece of rock is the temple of God? ...me and you both know that.</p><p></p><p>I've looked at many parts of the bible and I have my own interpretations that help give me some understanding to what I may already know as per gurmat. Below, I will share part of my own opinions and interpretations that I wrote some time ago. I'm only going to stick with the genesis that you referred to..........</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">For eg. there was no real Adam and Eve, but it talks about Adam being made in the <em>image of God himself</em>.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">This is the image of his formless consciousness. Then further it mentions that God clothed Adam with some skin, which gets interpreted as God gave clothes of animal skin to cover Adam.....This is actually about God <em>giving a layer of skin to this very consciousness </em>or soul that is itself a small fragment of God's image himself. It's the same analogy as "kapra" (cloth) used in gurbani to refer to skin of human body.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">NOTE that the word for "MAN" in indian is "AADMI"......this could very well come from the same "Adaam"</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">Then we have duality of Eve or WO-MAN coming from Adam's chest. This is reference to how duality/opposite of the same image of man was created...For example, We have the Positive first in a circuit and the Negative comes as a dependant of this. In an Atom, we have +ve Protons in nucleus and the -ve electron numbers in orbit are dependent on the charge and bond formed between the positive. The change in electron numbers determines the power of the positive or negative charge of the atom. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">Same principle is in SHAKTI: SHIV,..... MASCULINE:FEMININE, ....YIN:YANG..etc. it's all about DUALITY and Dubida. ..SUN:MOON...Yogas IDA:INGLA.....and so on..</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">Genesis has the serpent and eating the forbidden fruit from a tree</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">In my personal opinion, this is also a very strong metaphor because the Tree references are to a "<em>Tree of knowledge'' </em>that provides all the gyaan to realise God and then there is the <em>''Tree of the Mind'', </em>which of course is the tree that we get TEMPTED to eat from,the tree with Kaal's influence, the 5 dhuts, the worldly maya.. This is how gurbani differentiates between MAN-MUKH and GUR-MUKH... ie the one that eats fruit from the changing MIND's mouth or from the True GURU"S Mouth</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">(tree of knowledge is also popular in quite a few other faiths such as amongst kaballah and jews...)</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">It's also no surprise that I believe the Serpent itself is a metaphor for MAYA. The temptations of MAYA. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">In gurbani, there are numerous mentions of Maya the serpent. This Maya wraps and coils it's body around you, just like a snake does. And when one tries to fight and free themselves from the snake... what happens??</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">..... The snake just continues to grip even more tighter, virtually making the stranglehold very difficult to escape from...........MAYA does exactly the same thing in wrapping around you and making you dance around!.....it's all the play of maya!</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">The above are just some ideas and interpretations that I gave some thought to. They are not to be evaluated as fact but you or anyone else may find it worthwhile to give a little consideration and try make some sense of the world prior to the arrival of Guru Nanak ji. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></p><p></p><p>I did some very in depth interpretations of other parts of the bible and I was no longer surprised when I say direct parallels and correlations with gurbani. I may feel like sharing some of those some other time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Luckysingh, post: 208109, member: 16886"] That's an opinion that you are rightfully entitled to. However, we should always try in every way to not speak ill of other faiths. Most of the time it's because we cannot understand. Bains sahib ji, ..I'm not saying your opinion is correct and neither am I saying it is wrong, but I can give you a few little pointers that may make you view a little bit with a different light. The bible and most of the religions are full of metaphors and parables. It is foolish to think of them as real stories. This even refers to when phrases are used in the parable, un some context to make our awareness understand the degree of emotions, strength or 'feel' matter they are pointing at.....since these factors cannot be measured and documented. For example, when someone says that "God's temple is my ROCK when I need him to lean on" .....doesn't mean that a piece of rock is the temple of God? ...me and you both know that. I've looked at many parts of the bible and I have my own interpretations that help give me some understanding to what I may already know as per gurmat. Below, I will share part of my own opinions and interpretations that I wrote some time ago. I'm only going to stick with the genesis that you referred to.......... [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 102)]For eg. there was no real Adam and Eve, but it talks about Adam being made in the [I]image of God himself[/I]. This is the image of his formless consciousness. Then further it mentions that God clothed Adam with some skin, which gets interpreted as God gave clothes of animal skin to cover Adam.....This is actually about God [I]giving a layer of skin to this very consciousness [/I]or soul that is itself a small fragment of God's image himself. It's the same analogy as "kapra" (cloth) used in gurbani to refer to skin of human body. NOTE that the word for "MAN" in indian is "AADMI"......this could very well come from the same "Adaam" Then we have duality of Eve or WO-MAN coming from Adam's chest. This is reference to how duality/opposite of the same image of man was created...For example, We have the Positive first in a circuit and the Negative comes as a dependant of this. In an Atom, we have +ve Protons in nucleus and the -ve electron numbers in orbit are dependent on the charge and bond formed between the positive. The change in electron numbers determines the power of the positive or negative charge of the atom. Same principle is in SHAKTI: SHIV,..... MASCULINE:FEMININE, ....YIN:YANG..etc. it's all about DUALITY and Dubida. ..SUN:MOON...Yogas IDA:INGLA.....and so on..[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 102)]Genesis has the serpent and eating the forbidden fruit from a tree In my personal opinion, this is also a very strong metaphor because the Tree references are to a "[I]Tree of knowledge'' [/I]that provides all the gyaan to realise God and then there is the [I]''Tree of the Mind'', [/I]which of course is the tree that we get TEMPTED to eat from,the tree with Kaal's influence, the 5 dhuts, the worldly maya.. This is how gurbani differentiates between MAN-MUKH and GUR-MUKH... ie the one that eats fruit from the changing MIND's mouth or from the True GURU"S Mouth (tree of knowledge is also popular in quite a few other faiths such as amongst kaballah and jews...) It's also no surprise that I believe the Serpent itself is a metaphor for MAYA. The temptations of MAYA. In gurbani, there are numerous mentions of Maya the serpent. This Maya wraps and coils it's body around you, just like a snake does. And when one tries to fight and free themselves from the snake... what happens?? ..... The snake just continues to grip even more tighter, virtually making the stranglehold very difficult to escape from...........MAYA does exactly the same thing in wrapping around you and making you dance around!.....it's all the play of maya! [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The above are just some ideas and interpretations that I gave some thought to. They are not to be evaluated as fact but you or anyone else may find it worthwhile to give a little consideration and try make some sense of the world prior to the arrival of Guru Nanak ji. :)[/COLOR] I did some very in depth interpretations of other parts of the bible and I was no longer surprised when I say direct parallels and correlations with gurbani. I may feel like sharing some of those some other time. [/QUOTE]
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