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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Harkiran Kaur" data-source="post: 196591" data-attributes="member: 18224"><p>That would be misinterpretation I think... because most of the first Sikhs were traditionally followed Hinduism before that, things were written in a context that they could relate to.</p><p> </p><p>Also this is where you and I differ in though because where you believe God is just another word for the unconscious rules and forces in nature, I believe that that the underlying reality to the universe is actually pure consciousness and not matter. To me, creation happened with conscious INTENT. </p><p> </p><p>And the usage of 'him' 'he' etc. I think WAS to distinguish God from just an automatic unconcious creative force of some kind. Creation could not have just 'happened'. Rules of nature don't write themselves. The universe could not have just popped into existence complete with rules and laws of nature by itself. At some point, everything had to be set into motion by INTENT. </p><p> </p><p>The vast majority of Sikhs believe in a conscious creator...though that conscious creator is formless, beyond birth and death... so not the Christian / Jesus image of a human male form. But just pure conscious energy. And since it is plainly stated that God IS all. Then all that really exists... the 'truth' of reality is that everything is really just pure consciousness. Matter is manifest out of consciousness... even quantum physics proves that matter is really energy at a very slow rate of vibration. So what is this energy. They won't come straight out and say it, but the basic underlying reality is conscious energy. One pool... meaning we are all connected. (It IS possible to have a conscious creator without envisioning a human body or any form at all)</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: indigo">In fact I could take you through a little reasoning that would show you that the only thing that is 'real' about you yourself, is your being... your consciousness. (Though only you can be the one to decude this) In fact just for starters, over 99.9999% of your own body is empty space! (that's the empty space in every atom) Remove the empty space of every atom on Earth and you have some electrons and quarks left that will equal a grain of rice. (protons and neutrons break down into quarks). These subatomic particles actually pop into and out of existence at random...and act like waves more often than actual particles. (a wave requires a medium btw and 'empty space' can not be a medium. So this empty space is filled with something...an energy field of some sort) Btw Many people are still stuck on Newtonian physics that everything is only matter and nothing else...even when science has gone past this concept. So...even your brain is made up 99.9999% empty space and a few subatomic particles that pop into and out of existence at random and act like waves in some sort of medium. The majority of what we feel and see to be solid are actually due to electromagnetic forces. Mini force fields... The way we perceive our surroundings is an illusion. (And this is not quantum woo as some suggest...I only mentioned the actual proven science here, not what it is suggesting...)</span></p><p> </p><p>Again let's look further at what's written in Japji Sahib about the nature of God... </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Perhaps it would be better to create another translation removing all references to He or Him... and replace them with simply 'God'. But then as I said before there is a reference to the 'soul bride' and the husband being God in a divine marraige. And it's not speaking of physical gender for procreation. Or a physical union. It's speaking of the male and female principle within everything in reality - attributes existing within not only our bodies and nature but also even within our own consciousness... and the marriage as the union between us and the divine.</p><p> </p><p>I have been studying the deeper philosophies to Gurbani... from several sources and this is the common consensus. I see no reference to the Christian concept of God at all in Sikhi.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harkiran Kaur, post: 196591, member: 18224"] That would be misinterpretation I think... because most of the first Sikhs were traditionally followed Hinduism before that, things were written in a context that they could relate to. Also this is where you and I differ in though because where you believe God is just another word for the unconscious rules and forces in nature, I believe that that the underlying reality to the universe is actually pure consciousness and not matter. To me, creation happened with conscious INTENT. And the usage of 'him' 'he' etc. I think WAS to distinguish God from just an automatic unconcious creative force of some kind. Creation could not have just 'happened'. Rules of nature don't write themselves. The universe could not have just popped into existence complete with rules and laws of nature by itself. At some point, everything had to be set into motion by INTENT. The vast majority of Sikhs believe in a conscious creator...though that conscious creator is formless, beyond birth and death... so not the Christian / Jesus image of a human male form. But just pure conscious energy. And since it is plainly stated that God IS all. Then all that really exists... the 'truth' of reality is that everything is really just pure consciousness. Matter is manifest out of consciousness... even quantum physics proves that matter is really energy at a very slow rate of vibration. So what is this energy. They won't come straight out and say it, but the basic underlying reality is conscious energy. One pool... meaning we are all connected. (It IS possible to have a conscious creator without envisioning a human body or any form at all) [COLOR=indigo]In fact I could take you through a little reasoning that would show you that the only thing that is 'real' about you yourself, is your being... your consciousness. (Though only you can be the one to decude this) In fact just for starters, over 99.9999% of your own body is empty space! (that's the empty space in every atom) Remove the empty space of every atom on Earth and you have some electrons and quarks left that will equal a grain of rice. (protons and neutrons break down into quarks). These subatomic particles actually pop into and out of existence at random...and act like waves more often than actual particles. (a wave requires a medium btw and 'empty space' can not be a medium. So this empty space is filled with something...an energy field of some sort) Btw Many people are still stuck on Newtonian physics that everything is only matter and nothing else...even when science has gone past this concept. So...even your brain is made up 99.9999% empty space and a few subatomic particles that pop into and out of existence at random and act like waves in some sort of medium. The majority of what we feel and see to be solid are actually due to electromagnetic forces. Mini force fields... The way we perceive our surroundings is an illusion. (And this is not quantum woo as some suggest...I only mentioned the actual proven science here, not what it is suggesting...)[/COLOR] Again let's look further at what's written in Japji Sahib about the nature of God... Perhaps it would be better to create another translation removing all references to He or Him... and replace them with simply 'God'. But then as I said before there is a reference to the 'soul bride' and the husband being God in a divine marraige. And it's not speaking of physical gender for procreation. Or a physical union. It's speaking of the male and female principle within everything in reality - attributes existing within not only our bodies and nature but also even within our own consciousness... and the marriage as the union between us and the divine. I have been studying the deeper philosophies to Gurbani... from several sources and this is the common consensus. I see no reference to the Christian concept of God at all in Sikhi. [/QUOTE]
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