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<blockquote data-quote="simpy" data-source="post: 26070" data-attributes="member: 9395"><p><strong>Re: Mathatakna</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Respected AmarSanghera Ji,</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">You Questioned:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">“Surrender to the will of Guru or God?”</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">And your explanation of 'emotional expression of love towards Guru' is:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">“the respect a disciple, a curoious student has for the teacher which shows the students the righteous ways and spiritual path to one ness with God.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">I am subservient to one God( ParBraham) whom i crave to join on my spiritual path.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">my mind and tongue praises the one God...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">All our Gurus are the Kindered souls which achieved oneness with God and have shown us the way through their teachings and Bani. Now with Bani as the living Guru Guru Granth Sahib becomes my teacher and Guru.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I hope i was able to explain my point.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">by using word Emotional - i am of the belief that our relation with God and Guru is of love. same love which a person has for its Guide and its Beloved.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">My Answer:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Spiritual path may sound very easy to talk about, but it is very difficult to actually walk it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">On the Spiritual Path when we talk about Guru and Disciple relationship, we are talking about a very unique relationship. It is not a casual but a very pious and Spiritual connection. There are no worldly comparisons.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">When we talk about Matha Tekna, it is our physical demonstrations of affection towards the Guru, (similar to bowing, kissing the hands or feet of the Guru(if living)). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">Affection to Guru in Spiritual sense comes with total devotion and absolute surrender; as this is not normal student teacher relashionship. </span><span style="color: blue">Surrender in Spiritual sense is: there is no I-ness left anymore. Ego is totally surrendered. What ever Guru is teaching, it is being accepted without any questions. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">When you are walking the Spiritual Path, there is no difference remain between Guru and God. You can get all the guidance from the Divine presence within as well as you can follow a Guru. When you say that you are able to follow the Inner Guide within yourself, you must be capable of understanding what is wrong and what is right, as there is mind in-between. And how tricky this mind can be, you need not to be much of a scholar to know that. Fighting this mind is the key here. “Man Jeetay JagJeet”. How many in this world are capable of doing it, on their own? </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Below is what Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Ram Das Ji says about Guru Chela relationship:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">The very first line says that I would sell myself to that person who will lead me to meet my Lord. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">rwgu sUhI AstpdIAw mhlw 4 Gru 2</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><> siqgur pRswid ]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">koeI Awix imlwvY myrw pRIqmu ipAwrw hau iqsu pih Awpu vycweI ]1]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">drsnu hir dyKx kY qweI ]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">ik®pw krih qw siqguru mylih hir hir nwmu iDAweI </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">]1] rhwau ]</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jy suKu dyih q quJih ArwDI duiK BI quJY iDAweI ]2]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jy BuK dyih q ieq hI rwjw duK ivic sUK mnweI ]3]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">qnu mnu kwit kwit sBu ArpI ivic AgnI Awpu jlweI ]4]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">pKw PyrI pwxI Fovw jo dyvih so KweI ]5]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">nwnku grIbu Fih pieAw duAwrY hir myil lYhu vifAweI ]6]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">AKI kwiF DrI crxw qil sB DrqI iPir mq pweI ]7]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jy pwis bhwlih qw quJih ArwDI jy mwir kFih BI iDAweI ]8]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jy loku slwhy qw qyrI aupmw jy inMdY q Coif n jweI ]9]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jy quDu vil rhY qw koeI ikhu AwKau quDu ivsirAY mir jweI ]10]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">vwir vwir jweI gur aUpir pY pYrI sMq mnweI ]11]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">nwnku ivcwrw BieAw idvwnw hir qau drsn kY qweI ]12]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">JKVu JwgI mIhu vrsY BI guru dyKx jweI ]13]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">smuMdu swgru hovY bhu Kwrw gurisKu lµiG gur pih jweI ]14]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ijau pRwxI jl ibnu hY mrqw iqau isKu gur ibnu mir jweI ]15]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ijau DrqI soB kry jlu brsY iqau isKu gur imil ibgsweI ]16]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">syvk kw hoie syvku vrqw kir kir ibnau bulweI ]17]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">nwnk kI bynµqI hir pih gur imil gur suKu pweI ]18]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">qU Awpy guru cylw hY Awpy gur ivcu dy quJih iDAweI</span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"> ]19]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jo quDu syvih so qUhY hovih quDu syvk pYj rKweI ]20]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">BMfwr Bry BgqI hir qyry ijsu BwvY iqsu dyvweI ]21]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ijsu qUM dyih soeI jnu pwey hor inhPl sB cqurweI ]22]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ismir ismir ismir guru Apunw soieAw mnu jwgweI ]23]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ieku dwnu mMgY nwnku vycwrw hir dwsin dwsu krweI ]24]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">jy guru iJVky q mITw lwgY jy bKsy q gur vifAweI ]25]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">gurmuiK bolih so Qwie pwey mnmuiK ikCu Qwie n pweI ]26]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">pwlw kkru vrP vrsY gurisKu gur dyKx jweI ]27]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">sBu idnsu rYix dyKau guru Apunw ivic AKI gur pYr DrweI ]28]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Anyk aupwv krI gur kwrix gur BwvY so Qwie pweI ]29]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">rYix idnsu gur crx ArwDI dieAw krhu myry sweI ]30]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">nwnk kw jIau ipMfu gurU hY gur imil iqRpiq AGweI ]31]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">nwnk kw pRBu pUir rihE hY jq kq qq gosweI ]32]1]</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Surrender here is of much mature sense my dear. Here we are not talking of things made of gross material. We are talking of that mind which is made of subtle substance. We as Guru’s disciples, have to embrace Guru’s teachings without resistance. Without surrendering your I-ness, it is not possible.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Why? As you said “All our Gurus are the Kindered souls which achieved oneness with God and have shown us the way through their teachings and Bani. Now with Bani as the living Guru Guru Granth Sahib becomes my teacher and Guru.” </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">A kindred Soul knows the reality that a normal mind (lost in the worldly hush bush) cannot perceive. So this mind has to leave its own intellegence and follow the Guru. Guru literally means "one who dispels darkness". To understand and follow what Guru is saying; we have to strip away the layers of ego. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">If you are capable to the point that you can attain Salvation on your own, yes you can provided you are able to surrender totally to God (Living in God’s Will), because exactly the same is going to happen if you follow your Guru’s teachings; then you do not need a Guru. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">If you need a Guru to walk this path you have to surrender absolutely to your Guru. There is no difference between a Guru and God. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">Being subservient to God comes to you by being subservient (absolute surrender) to your Guru/God. There is no other way. If this mind itself was capable of doing all that is needed for Self Realization, it would have done it by itself; without needing a Guru. If it needs a Guru, then Guru has to be followed subserviently.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simpy, post: 26070, member: 9395"] [b]Re: Mathatakna[/b] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Respected AmarSanghera Ji,[/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]You Questioned:[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]“Surrender to the will of Guru or God?”[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]And your explanation of 'emotional expression of love towards Guru' is:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]“the respect a disciple, a curoious student has for the teacher which shows the students the righteous ways and spiritual path to one ness with God.[/SIZE] [SIZE=4]I am subservient to one God( ParBraham) whom i crave to join on my spiritual path.[/SIZE] [SIZE=4]my mind and tongue praises the one God...[/SIZE] [/COLOR][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]All our Gurus are the Kindered souls which achieved oneness with God and have shown us the way through their teachings and Bani. Now with Bani as the living Guru Guru Granth Sahib becomes my teacher and Guru.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=4]I hope i was able to explain my point.[/SIZE] [SIZE=4]by using word Emotional - i am of the belief that our relation with God and Guru is of love. same love which a person has for its Guide and its Beloved.”[/SIZE] [SIZE=4]My Answer:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Spiritual path may sound very easy to talk about, but it is very difficult to actually walk it.[/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]On the Spiritual Path when we talk about Guru and Disciple relationship, we are talking about a very unique relationship. It is not a casual but a very pious and Spiritual connection. There are no worldly comparisons.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]When we talk about Matha Tekna, it is our physical demonstrations of affection towards the Guru, (similar to bowing, kissing the hands or feet of the Guru(if living)). [/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Affection to Guru in Spiritual sense comes with total devotion and absolute surrender; as this is not normal student teacher relashionship. [/COLOR][COLOR=blue]Surrender in Spiritual sense is: there is no I-ness left anymore. Ego is totally surrendered. What ever Guru is teaching, it is being accepted without any questions. [/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]When you are walking the Spiritual Path, there is no difference remain between Guru and God. You can get all the guidance from the Divine presence within as well as you can follow a Guru. When you say that you are able to follow the Inner Guide within yourself, you must be capable of understanding what is wrong and what is right, as there is mind in-between. And how tricky this mind can be, you need not to be much of a scholar to know that. Fighting this mind is the key here. “Man Jeetay JagJeet”. How many in this world are capable of doing it, on their own? [/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Below is what Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Ram Das Ji says about Guru Chela relationship:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]The very first line says that I would sell myself to that person who will lead me to meet my Lord. [/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]rwgu sUhI AstpdIAw mhlw 4 Gru 2[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]<> siqgur pRswid ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]koeI Awix imlwvY myrw pRIqmu ipAwrw hau iqsu pih Awpu vycweI ]1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]drsnu hir dyKx kY qweI ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=red][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy]ik®pw krih qw siqguru mylih hir hir nwmu iDAweI [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy]]1] rhwau ][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jy suKu dyih q quJih ArwDI duiK BI quJY iDAweI ]2][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jy BuK dyih q ieq hI rwjw duK ivic sUK mnweI ]3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]qnu mnu kwit kwit sBu ArpI ivic AgnI Awpu jlweI ]4][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]pKw PyrI pwxI Fovw jo dyvih so KweI ]5][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]nwnku grIbu Fih pieAw duAwrY hir myil lYhu vifAweI ]6][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]AKI kwiF DrI crxw qil sB DrqI iPir mq pweI ]7][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jy pwis bhwlih qw quJih ArwDI jy mwir kFih BI iDAweI ]8][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jy loku slwhy qw qyrI aupmw jy inMdY q Coif n jweI ]9][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jy quDu vil rhY qw koeI ikhu AwKau quDu ivsirAY mir jweI ]10][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]vwir vwir jweI gur aUpir pY pYrI sMq mnweI ]11][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]nwnku ivcwrw BieAw idvwnw hir qau drsn kY qweI ]12][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]JKVu JwgI mIhu vrsY BI guru dyKx jweI ]13][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]smuMdu swgru hovY bhu Kwrw gurisKu lµiG gur pih jweI ]14][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]ijau pRwxI jl ibnu hY mrqw iqau isKu gur ibnu mir jweI ]15][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]ijau DrqI soB kry jlu brsY iqau isKu gur imil ibgsweI ]16][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]syvk kw hoie syvku vrqw kir kir ibnau bulweI ]17][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]nwnk kI bynµqI hir pih gur imil gur suKu pweI ]18][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=red][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy]qU Awpy guru cylw hY Awpy gur ivcu dy quJih iDAweI[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy] ]19][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jo quDu syvih so qUhY hovih quDu syvk pYj rKweI ]20][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]BMfwr Bry BgqI hir qyry ijsu BwvY iqsu dyvweI ]21][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]ijsu qUM dyih soeI jnu pwey hor inhPl sB cqurweI ]22][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]ismir ismir ismir guru Apunw soieAw mnu jwgweI ]23][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]ieku dwnu mMgY nwnku vycwrw hir dwsin dwsu krweI ]24][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]jy guru iJVky q mITw lwgY jy bKsy q gur vifAweI ]25][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]gurmuiK bolih so Qwie pwey mnmuiK ikCu Qwie n pweI ]26][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]pwlw kkru vrP vrsY gurisKu gur dyKx jweI ]27][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]sBu idnsu rYix dyKau guru Apunw ivic AKI gur pYr DrweI ]28][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]Anyk aupwv krI gur kwrix gur BwvY so Qwie pweI ]29][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]rYix idnsu gur crx ArwDI dieAw krhu myry sweI ]30][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]nwnk kw jIau ipMfu gurU hY gur imil iqRpiq AGweI ]31][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]nwnk kw pRBu pUir rihE hY jq kq qq gosweI ]32]1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Surrender here is of much mature sense my dear. Here we are not talking of things made of gross material. We are talking of that mind which is made of subtle substance. We as Guru’s disciples, have to embrace Guru’s teachings without resistance. Without surrendering your I-ness, it is not possible.[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Why? As you said “All our Gurus are the Kindered souls which achieved oneness with God and have shown us the way through their teachings and Bani. Now with Bani as the living Guru Guru Granth Sahib becomes my teacher and Guru.” [/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]A kindred Soul knows the reality that a normal mind (lost in the worldly hush bush) cannot perceive. So this mind has to leave its own intellegence and follow the Guru. Guru literally means "one who dispels darkness". To understand and follow what Guru is saying; we have to strip away the layers of ego. [/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]If you are capable to the point that you can attain Salvation on your own, yes you can provided you are able to surrender totally to God (Living in God’s Will), because exactly the same is going to happen if you follow your Guru’s teachings; then you do not need a Guru. [/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]If you need a Guru to walk this path you have to surrender absolutely to your Guru. There is no difference between a Guru and God. [/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Being subservient to God comes to you by being subservient (absolute surrender) to your Guru/God. There is no other way. If this mind itself was capable of doing all that is needed for Self Realization, it would have done it by itself; without needing a Guru. If it needs a Guru, then Guru has to be followed subserviently.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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