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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 96407" data-attributes="member: 35"><p><strong>Re: Sikh Girls Who Do Not Cut Their Head Hair, But Remove All Other Hair on Their Bod</strong></p><p></p><p>New and respected forum member vsgrewal48895 ji has generously contributed a new thread as he promised above on the difference between manmukh an gurumukh per Gurbani.</p><p></p><p>I am copying a little bit of the thread here in the dialog -- so that this is accessible to us.</p><p></p><p>Manmukh - self willed, they lose their way. Gurumukh knows ways of truth and untruth and crosses over.</p><p>------------------------------------------</p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> in Raag Ramkali of AGGS, Page, 941 had a dialogue with Sidhas about Manmukh & Gurmukh:</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਭੂਲੈ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਕਾਣਿ ॥ ਪਰ ਘਰੁ ਜੋਹੈ ਹਾਣੇ ਹਾਣਿ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭਵੈ ਬੇਬਾਣਿ ॥ ਵੇਮਾਰਗਿ ਮੂਸੈ ਮੰਤ੍ਰਿ ਮਸਾਣਿ ॥ ਸਬਦੁ ਨ ਚੀਨੈ ਲਵੈ ਕੁਬਾਣਿ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਜਾਣਿ ॥੨੬॥</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><em>Manmukẖ bẖūlai jam kī kāṇ. Par gẖar johai hāṇė hāṇ. Manmukẖ bẖaram bẖavai bėbāṇ. vėmārag mūsai manṯar masāṇ. Sabaḏ na cẖīnai lavai kubāṇ. Nānak sācẖ raṯė sukẖ jāṇ. ||26||</em></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">The self-willed are deluded, under the shadow of death. They look into the homes of others, and lose. The self willed are confused by doubt, wandering in the wilderness. Having lost their way, they are plundered; they chant their mantras at cremation grounds. They do not think of the Sabd; instead, they utter obscenities. O, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, those who are attuned to the Truth know peace. ||26||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">------------------------------------</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਚੇ ਕਾ ਭਉ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਘੜੁ ਘੜਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰੁ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰੋਮਿ ਰੋਮਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੨੭॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਬੇਦ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਤਰੀਐ ਤਾਰੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਸੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਗਿਆਨੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਅੰਤਰ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਾਨੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥੨੮॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਕਥੁ ਕਥੈ ਬੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪਿਆਰਿ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪਿਆਰਿ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਬਦਿ ਅਚਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਬਦਿ ਭੇਦਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜਾਣਾਈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਉਮੈ ਜਾਲਿ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੨੯॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਸਾਚੈ ਸਾਜੀ ॥ ਤਿਸ ਮਹਿ ਓਪਤਿ ਖਪਤਿ ਸੁ ਬਾਜੀ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਰਪੈ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤਉ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਸਾਚ ਸਬਦ ਬਿਨੁ ਪਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਕਿਉ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੩੦॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਸਟ ਸਿਧੀ ਸਭਿ ਬੁਧੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭਵਜਲੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਸਚ ਸੁਧੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਰ ਅਪਸਰ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਵਿਰਤਿ ਨਰਵਿਰਤਿ ਪਛਾਣੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤਾਰੇ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥੩੧॥</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><em>Gurmukẖ sācẖė kā bẖa*o pāvai. Gurmukẖ baṇī agẖaṛ gẖaṛāvai. Gurmukẖ nirmal har guṇ gāvai. Gurmukẖ paviṯar param paḏ pāvai. Gurmukẖ rom rom har ḏẖi*āvai. Nānak gurmukẖ sācẖ samāvai. ||27|| Gurmukẖ parcẖai bėḏ bīcẖārī. Gurmukẖ parcẖai ṯarī*ai ṯārī. Gurmukẖ parcẖai so sabaḏ gi*ānī. Gurmukẖ parcẖai anṯar biḏẖ jānī. Gurmukẖ pā*ī*ai alakẖ apār. Nānak gurmukẖ mukaṯ ḏu*ār. ||28|| Gurmukẖ akath kathai bīcẖār. Gurmukẖ nibhai saparvār. Gurmukẖ japī*ai anṯar pi*ār. Gurmukẖ pā*ī*ai sabaḏ acẖār. Sabaḏ bẖėḏ jāṇai jāṇā*ī. Nānak ha*umai jāl samā*ī. ||29|| Gurmukẖ ḏẖarṯī sācẖai sājī. Ŧis meh opaṯ kẖapaṯ so bājī. Gur kai sabaḏ rapai rang lā*ė. Sācẖ raṯa*o paṯ si*o gẖar jā*ė. Sācẖ sabaḏ bin paṯ nahī pāvai. Nānak bin nāvai ki*o sācẖ samāvai. ||30|| Gurmukẖ asat siḏẖī sabẖ buḏẖī. Gurmukẖ bẖavjal ṯarī*ai sacẖ suḏẖī. Gurmukẖ sar apsar biḏẖ jāṇai. Gurmukẖ parviraṯ narviraṯ pacẖẖāṇai. Gurmukẖ ṯārė pār uṯārė. Nānak gurmukẖ sabaḏ nisṯārė. ||31||</em></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">The Guru willed lives in the Fear of God, the True Akal Purkh. Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, and refines the unrefined. The Gurmukh sings the immaculate, Glorious Praises of the Akal Purkh. The Gurmukh attains the supreme, sanctified status. The Gurmukh meditates on the Akal Purkh with every hair of his body. O, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, the Gurmukh merges in Truth. ||27|| The Gurmukh is pleasing to the True Guru; this is contemplation on the Vedas. Pleasing the True Guru, the Gurmukh is carried across. Pleasing the True Guru, the Gurmukh receives the spiritual wisdom of the Sabd. Pleasing the True Guru, the Gurmukh comes to know the path within. The Gurmukh attains the unseen and infinite God. O, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, the Gurmukh finds the door of liberation. ||28|| The Gurmukh speaks the unspoken wisdom. In the midst of his family, the Gurmukh lives a spiritual life. The Gurmukh lovingly meditates deep within. The Gurmukh obtains the Sabd, and righteous conduct. He knows the mystery of the Sabd, and inspires others to know it. O, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, burning away his ego, he merges in the Akal Purkh. ||29|| The True Creator fashioned the earth for the sake of the Gurmukhs. There, he set in motion the play of creation and destruction. One who is filled with the Word of the Guru's Sabd enshrines love for the Akal Purkh. Attuned to the Truth, he goes to his home with honor. Without the True Word of the Sabd, no one receives honor. O, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, without the Name, how can one be absorbed in Truth? ||30|| The Gurmukh obtains the eight miraculous spiritual powers, and all wisdom. The Gurmukh crosses over the terrifying world-ocean, and obtains true understanding. The Gurmukh knows the ways of truth and untruth. The Gurmukh knows worldliness and renunciation. The Gurmukh crosses over, and carries others across as well. O, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a>, the Gurmukh is emancipated through the Sabd. ||31||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong><span style="color: Black"></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong><span style="color: Black">The complete essay by respected vsgrewal is at this link <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/24314-gurmukh-and-manmukh.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/24314-gurmukh-and-manmukh.html</a></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 96407, member: 35"] [b]Re: Sikh Girls Who Do Not Cut Their Head Hair, But Remove All Other Hair on Their Bod[/b] New and respected forum member vsgrewal48895 ji has generously contributed a new thread as he promised above on the difference between manmukh an gurumukh per Gurbani. I am copying a little bit of the thread here in the dialog -- so that this is accessible to us. Manmukh - self willed, they lose their way. Gurumukh knows ways of truth and untruth and crosses over. ------------------------------------------ [COLOR=DarkGreen][URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] in Raag Ramkali of AGGS, Page, 941 had a dialogue with Sidhas about Manmukh & Gurmukh: ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਭੂਲੈ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਕਾਣਿ ॥ ਪਰ ਘਰੁ ਜੋਹੈ ਹਾਣੇ ਹਾਣਿ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭਵੈ ਬੇਬਾਣਿ ॥ ਵੇਮਾਰਗਿ ਮੂਸੈ ਮੰਤ੍ਰਿ ਮਸਾਣਿ ॥ ਸਬਦੁ ਨ ਚੀਨੈ ਲਵੈ ਕੁਬਾਣਿ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਜਾਣਿ ॥੨੬॥ [I]Manmukẖ bẖūlai jam kī kāṇ. Par gẖar johai hāṇė hāṇ. Manmukẖ bẖaram bẖavai bėbāṇ. vėmārag mūsai manṯar masāṇ. Sabaḏ na cẖīnai lavai kubāṇ. Nānak sācẖ raṯė sukẖ jāṇ. ||26||[/I] The self-willed are deluded, under the shadow of death. They look into the homes of others, and lose. The self willed are confused by doubt, wandering in the wilderness. Having lost their way, they are plundered; they chant their mantras at cremation grounds. They do not think of the Sabd; instead, they utter obscenities. O, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], those who are attuned to the Truth know peace. ||26|| ------------------------------------ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਚੇ ਕਾ ਭਉ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਘੜੁ ਘੜਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰੁ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰੋਮਿ ਰੋਮਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੨੭॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਬੇਦ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਤਰੀਐ ਤਾਰੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਸੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਗਿਆਨੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਚੈ ਅੰਤਰ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਾਨੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥੨੮॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਕਥੁ ਕਥੈ ਬੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪਿਆਰਿ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪਿਆਰਿ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਬਦਿ ਅਚਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਬਦਿ ਭੇਦਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜਾਣਾਈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਉਮੈ ਜਾਲਿ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੨੯॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਸਾਚੈ ਸਾਜੀ ॥ ਤਿਸ ਮਹਿ ਓਪਤਿ ਖਪਤਿ ਸੁ ਬਾਜੀ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਰਪੈ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤਉ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਸਾਚ ਸਬਦ ਬਿਨੁ ਪਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਕਿਉ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੩੦॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਸਟ ਸਿਧੀ ਸਭਿ ਬੁਧੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭਵਜਲੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਸਚ ਸੁਧੀ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਰ ਅਪਸਰ ਬਿਧਿ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਰਵਿਰਤਿ ਨਰਵਿਰਤਿ ਪਛਾਣੈ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤਾਰੇ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥੩੧॥ [I]Gurmukẖ sācẖė kā bẖa*o pāvai. Gurmukẖ baṇī agẖaṛ gẖaṛāvai. Gurmukẖ nirmal har guṇ gāvai. Gurmukẖ paviṯar param paḏ pāvai. Gurmukẖ rom rom har ḏẖi*āvai. Nānak gurmukẖ sācẖ samāvai. ||27|| Gurmukẖ parcẖai bėḏ bīcẖārī. Gurmukẖ parcẖai ṯarī*ai ṯārī. Gurmukẖ parcẖai so sabaḏ gi*ānī. Gurmukẖ parcẖai anṯar biḏẖ jānī. Gurmukẖ pā*ī*ai alakẖ apār. Nānak gurmukẖ mukaṯ ḏu*ār. ||28|| Gurmukẖ akath kathai bīcẖār. Gurmukẖ nibhai saparvār. Gurmukẖ japī*ai anṯar pi*ār. Gurmukẖ pā*ī*ai sabaḏ acẖār. Sabaḏ bẖėḏ jāṇai jāṇā*ī. Nānak ha*umai jāl samā*ī. ||29|| Gurmukẖ ḏẖarṯī sācẖai sājī. Ŧis meh opaṯ kẖapaṯ so bājī. Gur kai sabaḏ rapai rang lā*ė. Sācẖ raṯa*o paṯ si*o gẖar jā*ė. Sācẖ sabaḏ bin paṯ nahī pāvai. Nānak bin nāvai ki*o sācẖ samāvai. ||30|| Gurmukẖ asat siḏẖī sabẖ buḏẖī. Gurmukẖ bẖavjal ṯarī*ai sacẖ suḏẖī. Gurmukẖ sar apsar biḏẖ jāṇai. Gurmukẖ parviraṯ narviraṯ pacẖẖāṇai. Gurmukẖ ṯārė pār uṯārė. Nānak gurmukẖ sabaḏ nisṯārė. ||31||[/I] The Guru willed lives in the Fear of God, the True Akal Purkh. Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, and refines the unrefined. The Gurmukh sings the immaculate, Glorious Praises of the Akal Purkh. The Gurmukh attains the supreme, sanctified status. The Gurmukh meditates on the Akal Purkh with every hair of his body. O, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], the Gurmukh merges in Truth. ||27|| The Gurmukh is pleasing to the True Guru; this is contemplation on the Vedas. Pleasing the True Guru, the Gurmukh is carried across. Pleasing the True Guru, the Gurmukh receives the spiritual wisdom of the Sabd. Pleasing the True Guru, the Gurmukh comes to know the path within. The Gurmukh attains the unseen and infinite God. O, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], the Gurmukh finds the door of liberation. ||28|| The Gurmukh speaks the unspoken wisdom. In the midst of his family, the Gurmukh lives a spiritual life. The Gurmukh lovingly meditates deep within. The Gurmukh obtains the Sabd, and righteous conduct. He knows the mystery of the Sabd, and inspires others to know it. O, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], burning away his ego, he merges in the Akal Purkh. ||29|| The True Creator fashioned the earth for the sake of the Gurmukhs. There, he set in motion the play of creation and destruction. One who is filled with the Word of the Guru's Sabd enshrines love for the Akal Purkh. Attuned to the Truth, he goes to his home with honor. Without the True Word of the Sabd, no one receives honor. O, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], without the Name, how can one be absorbed in Truth? ||30|| The Gurmukh obtains the eight miraculous spiritual powers, and all wisdom. The Gurmukh crosses over the terrifying world-ocean, and obtains true understanding. The Gurmukh knows the ways of truth and untruth. The Gurmukh knows worldliness and renunciation. The Gurmukh crosses over, and carries others across as well. O, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL], the Gurmukh is emancipated through the Sabd. ||31|| [B][COLOR=Black] The complete essay by respected vsgrewal is at this link [URL]http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/24314-gurmukh-and-manmukh.html[/URL][/COLOR][/B] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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