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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 215271" data-attributes="member: 138"><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Seekingsikhi,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Guru Fateh.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">What do you mean by the above? It seems to contradict itself. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Who refused women the right to vote and why in your view they did not 'win' that right to vote?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Whose fault is it you reckon?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Not the way I see it. You as a man are defending another macho in this affair in your posts.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">No, you are wrong from the get-go. Abrahamic religions are based on commandments etched in stone, literally, which order the followers what they can and cannot do - dos and don'ts- otherwise, Hell and Heaven are waiting for them, depending on their obedience, a scare tactic in the name of love. Whereas Sikhi gives us the tools to germinate the seeds of inner manifestation which create wills and won'ts, unlike in the Abrahamic ones which create external impositions.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Yes, men have claimed the right to suppress women. The world history is the proof. And your pious proclamation,"Likewise, we can hardly encourage other faiths and peoples to treat women as equals if we ourselves keep them bound to traditional indian/punjabi/irish catholic roles of cooking cleaning and baby-making; and keep them down when they try to strive for more," makes no sense. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Do you have a uterus? </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">You may be a cook but a bad one. So what is your point above? You talk a lot but say nothing. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Who gave these roles to the women that you all of a sudden realise are not the right ones?</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Well, I have no idea what you know about Christianity but I am sure you have very little knowledge if any about Sikhi.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Allow me to expand on that.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px">1. Sikhi is an idea based not commandment based, as the Abrahamic religions.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px">2. There is no god in Sikhi as seen in other religions.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px">3. Matthew is one of the 4 apostles who wrote about Jesus many years after his death and the sad part of all this is that many of them had had not even met Jesus. Despite all being a hearsay, they quoted him directly which takes a good pair of cajones.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px">5. The fact is that what "Jesus said" is in doubt. All Jesus' words are second-hand quotes by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. This Son of an omnipotent, omniscient God who could confound the wise men of the temple never wrote his own gospel.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Therefore, comparing Sheikh Farid who was born about 3 centuries before Guru Nanak with the 4 apostles of the NT is nothing but a folly.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Here lies the biggest difference. I hope you understand the stark difference a bit better now.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Thanks for admitting that "Women were seen as possessions that nobody would want after their husbands died and so they were burnt on the funeral pyre with him. The gurus put a stop to this practice, stating that women were equal to men and deserved equal treatment. If women were intended to be burnt with the bodies of their husbands,"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">So as per your own admission, it was we, the men who repressed women, which was a common practice in all religions. Guru Nanak, a different man than the men of OT, NT and others changed this.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">So, it was not the women's fault. Right?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Well it the Abrahamic God that repressed women. I thought you knew that. Here are just a few examples:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1cor/11.html#3" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 11:3</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1cor/14.html#34" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 14:34-36</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/eph/5.html#22" target="_blank">Ephesians 5:22-24</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/col/3.html#18" target="_blank">Colossians 3:18</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1tim/2.html#11" target="_blank">1 Timothy 2:11-15</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Teach the young women to be ... obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/{censored}/2.html#4" target="_blank">Titus 2:4-5</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1pet/3.html#1" target="_blank">1 Peter 3:1</a></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">so, what is God for you? You do not need to know Punjabi to respond that so each of us can understand where we are coming from. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Thanks.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 215271, member: 138"] [FONT=Tahoma]Seekingsikhi, Guru Fateh. What do you mean by the above? It seems to contradict itself. Who refused women the right to vote and why in your view they did not 'win' that right to vote? Whose fault is it you reckon? Not the way I see it. You as a man are defending another macho in this affair in your posts. No, you are wrong from the get-go. Abrahamic religions are based on commandments etched in stone, literally, which order the followers what they can and cannot do - dos and don'ts- otherwise, Hell and Heaven are waiting for them, depending on their obedience, a scare tactic in the name of love. Whereas Sikhi gives us the tools to germinate the seeds of inner manifestation which create wills and won'ts, unlike in the Abrahamic ones which create external impositions. Yes, men have claimed the right to suppress women. The world history is the proof. And your pious proclamation,"Likewise, we can hardly encourage other faiths and peoples to treat women as equals if we ourselves keep them bound to traditional indian/punjabi/irish catholic roles of cooking cleaning and baby-making; and keep them down when they try to strive for more," makes no sense. Do you have a uterus? You may be a cook but a bad one. So what is your point above? You talk a lot but say nothing. Who gave these roles to the women that you all of a sudden realise are not the right ones?[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma] Well, I have no idea what you know about Christianity but I am sure you have very little knowledge if any about Sikhi. Allow me to expand on that. [SIZE=4]1. Sikhi is an idea based not commandment based, as the Abrahamic religions. 2. There is no god in Sikhi as seen in other religions. 3. Matthew is one of the 4 apostles who wrote about Jesus many years after his death and the sad part of all this is that many of them had had not even met Jesus. Despite all being a hearsay, they quoted him directly which takes a good pair of cajones. 5. The fact is that what "Jesus said" is in doubt. All Jesus' words are second-hand quotes by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. This Son of an omnipotent, omniscient God who could confound the wise men of the temple never wrote his own gospel. Therefore, comparing Sheikh Farid who was born about 3 centuries before Guru Nanak with the 4 apostles of the NT is nothing but a folly.[/SIZE] Here lies the biggest difference. I hope you understand the stark difference a bit better now. Thanks for admitting that "Women were seen as possessions that nobody would want after their husbands died and so they were burnt on the funeral pyre with him. The gurus put a stop to this practice, stating that women were equal to men and deserved equal treatment. If women were intended to be burnt with the bodies of their husbands," So as per your own admission, it was we, the men who repressed women, which was a common practice in all religions. Guru Nanak, a different man than the men of OT, NT and others changed this. So, it was not the women's fault. Right? Well it the Abrahamic God that repressed women. I thought you knew that. Here are just a few examples: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1cor/11.html#3']1 Corinthians 11:3[/URL] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1cor/14.html#34']1 Corinthians 14:34-36[/URL] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/eph/5.html#22']Ephesians 5:22-24[/URL] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/col/3.html#18']Colossians 3:18[/URL] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1tim/2.html#11']1 Timothy 2:11-15[/URL] Teach the young women to be ... obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/{censored}/2.html#4']Titus 2:4-5[/URL] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands. [URL='http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1pet/3.html#1']1 Peter 3:1[/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]so, what is God for you? You do not need to know Punjabi to respond that so each of us can understand where we are coming from. Thanks.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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