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Pahre (74-78)
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Gurbani (347-348)
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Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
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Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
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Gurbani (557-564)
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Gurbani (595-634)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Gurbani (696-703)
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Gurbani (721-727)
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Gurbani (728-750)
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Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
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Chhant (843-848)
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Gurbani (859-869)
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Gurbani (984-988)
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Gurbani (889-1008)
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
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Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
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Gurbani (1168-1187)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
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Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
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<blockquote data-quote="Harkiran Kaur" data-source="post: 184766" data-attributes="member: 18224"><p>Sikhs with no belief in Waheguru Ji? It almost seems like an oxy{censored}... </p><p></p><p>That's fine that some people only believe in science... but my problem with Athiesm and putting all your beliefs in science is...</p><p></p><p>"The Mystical, The Magical, The Divine... is just science that's yet to be discovered" In other words, we can't at this point in time think we know everything there is to know about science - we'd be insane to think so. After all, not that long ago, people thought the earth was flat and that was known science at the time! How dare someone theorize that the earth was a sphere! If you existed during that time you would have argued that the Earth was indeed flat and that the Sun, Moon and stars revolved around the Earth. And you would have argued that was all there was to reality... after all you walk on flat ground and the idea of people on the other side of a sphere hanging perpetually upside down would have been be very alien to you, because that truth was not yet discovered. </p><p></p><p>So to base your whole belief system on science as it exists today (which is incomplete) I believe people are missing out on a lot of information about what reality is just because science is not complete (and will it ever be?). </p><p></p><p>Someday, I believe we will be able to prove that the physical is not the base of existence but consciousness is... that there is a creative conscious design to the Universe - ie God. And I believe we will do that though science... but we are not there yet. In the mean time... people end up basing their beliefs on what science we know exists today. That's putting all your faith and belief in an incomplete theorem. </p><p></p><p>Since science is always evolving, those people inevitably will possess an 'incomplete' thinking or belief about the Universe, and/or will change their views as new discoveries are made. This defeats the purpose of faith IMO. After all, those people who lived when the Earth was thought to be flat... if they were teleported to today and shown scientific proof the earth was indeed a sphere... their whole belief system would obviously change. (Meaning they were never correct to begin with, or they lacked the complete picture... which is my point. Science will always lack the complete and whole picture because we can NEVER assume that we will possess ALL scientific knowledge. And I think we are actually still in the primitive stages as far as it's concerned). </p><p></p><p>So back to the original post... it's good that people question things... that leads to discovery... but they should never base their core belief about the Universe and reality and God on what CURRENT science shows them. They should have an open mind - and accept that there are things that current science just can't explain! - It doesn't mean science will never be able to explain those things... it just means that we are still in the stages of discovery and there is a LOT left to be discovered yet - and the existence of Waheguru Ji - God - Allah - Jehova - Yahweh - etc. may be one of those things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harkiran Kaur, post: 184766, member: 18224"] Sikhs with no belief in Waheguru Ji? It almost seems like an oxy{censored}... That's fine that some people only believe in science... but my problem with Athiesm and putting all your beliefs in science is... "The Mystical, The Magical, The Divine... is just science that's yet to be discovered" In other words, we can't at this point in time think we know everything there is to know about science - we'd be insane to think so. After all, not that long ago, people thought the earth was flat and that was known science at the time! How dare someone theorize that the earth was a sphere! If you existed during that time you would have argued that the Earth was indeed flat and that the Sun, Moon and stars revolved around the Earth. And you would have argued that was all there was to reality... after all you walk on flat ground and the idea of people on the other side of a sphere hanging perpetually upside down would have been be very alien to you, because that truth was not yet discovered. So to base your whole belief system on science as it exists today (which is incomplete) I believe people are missing out on a lot of information about what reality is just because science is not complete (and will it ever be?). Someday, I believe we will be able to prove that the physical is not the base of existence but consciousness is... that there is a creative conscious design to the Universe - ie God. And I believe we will do that though science... but we are not there yet. In the mean time... people end up basing their beliefs on what science we know exists today. That's putting all your faith and belief in an incomplete theorem. Since science is always evolving, those people inevitably will possess an 'incomplete' thinking or belief about the Universe, and/or will change their views as new discoveries are made. This defeats the purpose of faith IMO. After all, those people who lived when the Earth was thought to be flat... if they were teleported to today and shown scientific proof the earth was indeed a sphere... their whole belief system would obviously change. (Meaning they were never correct to begin with, or they lacked the complete picture... which is my point. Science will always lack the complete and whole picture because we can NEVER assume that we will possess ALL scientific knowledge. And I think we are actually still in the primitive stages as far as it's concerned). So back to the original post... it's good that people question things... that leads to discovery... but they should never base their core belief about the Universe and reality and God on what CURRENT science shows them. They should have an open mind - and accept that there are things that current science just can't explain! - It doesn't mean science will never be able to explain those things... it just means that we are still in the stages of discovery and there is a LOT left to be discovered yet - and the existence of Waheguru Ji - God - Allah - Jehova - Yahweh - etc. may be one of those things. [/QUOTE]
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