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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 114142" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>It is unfortunate that IJ Singh found himself entangled in a "loaded" discussion on a forum in which he was misunderstood and rather blatantly branded with a label. It is also unfortunate that this branding continues. At least he took the time to write an article explaining how the "loaded" nature of the first discussion is replete with illogical and careless language. </p><p></p><p>He encountered a problem that is common in many Internet discussions including conversations here at SPN -- and these "loaded" discussions are actually harmful. The problem comes when the logical fallacy is well-embedded in an accusation. Then when hurled at his target, the target and many others go on the defensive. Their defensiveness gives the person who has "loaded" the charges a big advantage.</p><p></p><p>The fallacy is called the problem of the "undistributed middle." Here is how it works -- but you have to read carefully when this technique is actually used because it is buried deep in verbiage. The undistributed middle sets up an argument like this: Sikhs are monotheists. Muslims are monotheists. Therefore Sikhs are no different from Muslims. Another variation. Sikhs are monotheists. Many religions including some Hindu traditions are monotheist in nature. Therefore Sikhs are no different from these religions.</p><p></p><p>Where is the undistributed middle? The problem is that Muslims are only one of many monotheistic religions. So the condition -- being Muslim - is not distributed for all possibilities of montheism. The second example has the same problem except it looks more logical because more religions are implied and not restricted to Muslims. </p><p></p><p>Instead of stating Muslims are monotheists, one should/could say, "Among the group of monotheists are Muslims." Then a logical conclusion would be "Sikhs and Muslims share the idea of monotheism." Failing to point out this fallacy early in a forum debate starts many rounds of bitterness in which the accuser has the upper hand and can continue to grandstand until the opposition is worn out. </p><p></p><p>So what happened? The accuser said/implied this. Traditionalists are locked in the prison of the past. Amritdharis are traditionalists. (IJ Singh is an amrithari.) Therefore IJ Singh, an amritdharii, is locked in the prison of the past. The statement that <strong>amritdharis are traditionalists is not distributed</strong> -- and also, the statement is not likely to be universally true on the facts. Without defining traditionalist one cannot tell.</p><p></p><p>So true to form the accuser in this article just kept laying more rhetoric and more information on the forum. This is another thing to beware. A lot of information does not equal a lot of logic. But that does not stop anyone who has an axe to grind.</p><p></p><p>Whether all traditionalists are locked in the prison of the past is problem of facts not a problem of logic. IJ Singh has taken care of that false claim.</p><p></p><p>The way that I read this: The accuser of IJ Singh is one more individual who is willing to torture his mind with endless forum dialog in his personal search for "intellectual" and sophisticated reasons <strong>not to become</strong> amritdhari. And it must be a real problem for him or else why bring the problem of all these "traditionalist amritdhari" to a public debate? Because if it were not problem for him, he would just keep his opinions to himself. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 114142, member: 35"] It is unfortunate that IJ Singh found himself entangled in a "loaded" discussion on a forum in which he was misunderstood and rather blatantly branded with a label. It is also unfortunate that this branding continues. At least he took the time to write an article explaining how the "loaded" nature of the first discussion is replete with illogical and careless language. He encountered a problem that is common in many Internet discussions including conversations here at SPN -- and these "loaded" discussions are actually harmful. The problem comes when the logical fallacy is well-embedded in an accusation. Then when hurled at his target, the target and many others go on the defensive. Their defensiveness gives the person who has "loaded" the charges a big advantage. The fallacy is called the problem of the "undistributed middle." Here is how it works -- but you have to read carefully when this technique is actually used because it is buried deep in verbiage. The undistributed middle sets up an argument like this: Sikhs are monotheists. Muslims are monotheists. Therefore Sikhs are no different from Muslims. Another variation. Sikhs are monotheists. Many religions including some Hindu traditions are monotheist in nature. Therefore Sikhs are no different from these religions. Where is the undistributed middle? The problem is that Muslims are only one of many monotheistic religions. So the condition -- being Muslim - is not distributed for all possibilities of montheism. The second example has the same problem except it looks more logical because more religions are implied and not restricted to Muslims. Instead of stating Muslims are monotheists, one should/could say, "Among the group of monotheists are Muslims." Then a logical conclusion would be "Sikhs and Muslims share the idea of monotheism." Failing to point out this fallacy early in a forum debate starts many rounds of bitterness in which the accuser has the upper hand and can continue to grandstand until the opposition is worn out. So what happened? The accuser said/implied this. Traditionalists are locked in the prison of the past. Amritdharis are traditionalists. (IJ Singh is an amrithari.) Therefore IJ Singh, an amritdharii, is locked in the prison of the past. The statement that [B]amritdharis are traditionalists is not distributed[/B] -- and also, the statement is not likely to be universally true on the facts. Without defining traditionalist one cannot tell. So true to form the accuser in this article just kept laying more rhetoric and more information on the forum. This is another thing to beware. A lot of information does not equal a lot of logic. But that does not stop anyone who has an axe to grind. Whether all traditionalists are locked in the prison of the past is problem of facts not a problem of logic. IJ Singh has taken care of that false claim. The way that I read this: The accuser of IJ Singh is one more individual who is willing to torture his mind with endless forum dialog in his personal search for "intellectual" and sophisticated reasons [B]not to become[/B] amritdhari. And it must be a real problem for him or else why bring the problem of all these "traditionalist amritdhari" to a public debate? Because if it were not problem for him, he would just keep his opinions to himself. :) [/QUOTE]
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