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<blockquote data-quote="Seeker9" data-source="post: 153851" data-attributes="member: 11719"><p>Dear Confused Ji</p><p></p><p>It has been a while! But as promised, I will pick up where we left. I hope it is not difficult to read...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Okay, some interesting definitions here which I would relate to conciousness, sentience and sub-conciousness, with the physical aspect of life being manifestations of energy. Everything in the physical world is a manifestation of energy and can be classified in different ways e.g animate, inanimate, organic, inorganic etc</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>No I don't think so. I am thinking of those poor individuals who are in a severley compromised vegetative state. Alive yes. Are they concious? Well we can see they are awake but are they aware they are awake? Are they aware of anything?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>A fascinating concept. Where did you get this idea from? In so far as everything is energy, I guess you could view Karma as a force that manipulates that energy into specific forms?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>I think it is both. If the death is of something that has a physical aspect and a non physical aspect, then the death is both physical and non physical</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Where did you learn this?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>The eye sees, the brain interprets information and the mind will translate into meaning</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Not quite. I view the brain as a physical vessel for the mind. So to rephrase, mentality is not a product of materiality but is enabled by materiality. I think this is probably similar to one of your earlier points</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>No I appreciate the distinction</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Actually I think it is a bit of both! By that I mean I appreciate the distinction between reality and concept but understanding reality requires conceptualisation as well. This is demonstrated by the field of theoretical physics, for example, Einstein's famous thought experiments about riding a beam of light.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>I am still confused by this. You start of by saying that for our own death "we can never observe our own since there will not be any consciousness after that one to know it" Yet for other deaths, "life could have continued for some time depending on other condition"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>No, but you could say death is the result of a process driven by Karma</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Ok</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Ok interesting point</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Yes, it would be delusional in the way you have described it in terms of your understanding but I don't consider myself to be deluded. As my name tag suggests, I am still seeking answers ....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Ok...so when the Karmic force wants to be extra efficient it arranges for 20000 people to die in the one place from the one event? A deliberately silly comment but I still need to understand this better</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Yes but it could be said that the impact/result will be determined by Karma. Eg after slipping do you bump your head or break your neck?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Ok</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Ok Killing bugs is wrong. Killing humans is wrong. But most of us will be more likely to do the former knowingly than the other. This is because we place more value on the human life than the bug's life. For a lot of us, that is a simple fact of our human life and conditioning in terms of accepted cultural and behavioural norms from a variety of sources. In a seafood restaurant for example, you can be invited to pick from a selection of living lobsters and then the one you choose is killed there and then and cooked for your consumption. I am not saying that is right or just. But that is what happens.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>4 and 5 do not require a physical stimulus</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Sorry, I remain uncertain for now but may revisit this at some point</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me:</p><p>Ok but attachment is attachment is it not?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I hope this reads ok and thanks again for your detailed responses</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Seeker9, post: 153851, member: 11719"] Dear Confused Ji It has been a while! But as promised, I will pick up where we left. I hope it is not difficult to read... Me: Okay, some interesting definitions here which I would relate to conciousness, sentience and sub-conciousness, with the physical aspect of life being manifestations of energy. Everything in the physical world is a manifestation of energy and can be classified in different ways e.g animate, inanimate, organic, inorganic etc Me: No I don't think so. I am thinking of those poor individuals who are in a severley compromised vegetative state. Alive yes. Are they concious? Well we can see they are awake but are they aware they are awake? Are they aware of anything? Me: A fascinating concept. Where did you get this idea from? In so far as everything is energy, I guess you could view Karma as a force that manipulates that energy into specific forms? Me: I think it is both. If the death is of something that has a physical aspect and a non physical aspect, then the death is both physical and non physical Me: Where did you learn this? Me: The eye sees, the brain interprets information and the mind will translate into meaning Me: Not quite. I view the brain as a physical vessel for the mind. So to rephrase, mentality is not a product of materiality but is enabled by materiality. I think this is probably similar to one of your earlier points Me: No I appreciate the distinction Me: Actually I think it is a bit of both! By that I mean I appreciate the distinction between reality and concept but understanding reality requires conceptualisation as well. This is demonstrated by the field of theoretical physics, for example, Einstein's famous thought experiments about riding a beam of light. Me: I am still confused by this. You start of by saying that for our own death "we can never observe our own since there will not be any consciousness after that one to know it" Yet for other deaths, "life could have continued for some time depending on other condition" Me: No, but you could say death is the result of a process driven by Karma Me: Ok Me: Ok interesting point Me: Yes, it would be delusional in the way you have described it in terms of your understanding but I don't consider myself to be deluded. As my name tag suggests, I am still seeking answers .... Me: Ok...so when the Karmic force wants to be extra efficient it arranges for 20000 people to die in the one place from the one event? A deliberately silly comment but I still need to understand this better Me: Yes but it could be said that the impact/result will be determined by Karma. Eg after slipping do you bump your head or break your neck? Me: Ok Me: Ok Killing bugs is wrong. Killing humans is wrong. But most of us will be more likely to do the former knowingly than the other. This is because we place more value on the human life than the bug's life. For a lot of us, that is a simple fact of our human life and conditioning in terms of accepted cultural and behavioural norms from a variety of sources. In a seafood restaurant for example, you can be invited to pick from a selection of living lobsters and then the one you choose is killed there and then and cooked for your consumption. I am not saying that is right or just. But that is what happens. Me: 4 and 5 do not require a physical stimulus Me: Sorry, I remain uncertain for now but may revisit this at some point Me: Ok but attachment is attachment is it not? I hope this reads ok and thanks again for your detailed responses [/QUOTE]
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