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Kala Afghana - An Adi Granth Purist
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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 1130" data-attributes="member: 138"><p><strong>One more interaction regarding KalaAfghana</strong></p><p></p><p>Forwarded Message: </p><p> Subj:<strong>Re: [gurmatdiscussions] Re: [Khalistan] Kala Afghana was beaten up in londan ... </strong>Date:6/1/04 12:17:34 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom:RoadRunnr123To:<a href="mailto:gurmatdiscussions@yahoogroups.com">gurmatdiscussions@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:news@sikhhelpline.com">news@sikhhelpline.com</a>, <a href="mailto:akj@yahoogroups.com">akj@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:AmericanSikhs@yahoogroups.com">AmericanSikhs@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:khalistan@yahoogroups.com">khalistan@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:learning-zone@yahoogroups.com">learning-zone@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:learning-zonenews@yahoogroups.com">learning-zonenews@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:naujawan-academy@yahoogroups.com">naujawan-academy@yahoogroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:snamembers@yahoogroups.com">snamembers@yahoogroups.com</a>, Lsingh4</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><<In a message dated 6/1/04 9:16:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:lsingh4@cs.com">lsingh4@cs.com</a> writes:<p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Tejwant ji</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kala afghana is no longer a sikh.he is excommunicared from sikh</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">panth.Before that, at best, he was an atheist,corrupt agent of hidden</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">forces.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If he writes trash about sikh scriptures and history with a view to</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">distort sikhism,what else you expect sikhs to do.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Gur ki ninda sunne na kaan---</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Ajit >></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Ajit Singh ji,</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Fateh,</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Only IK ONG KAAR knows who is a Sikh and who is not. You and I will never find out. Hence it is naive to play ONE GOD by judging people about thier spirituality.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">We must remind ourselves as often as possible about our relationship with IK ONG KAAR and how it is obtained, when we read the following verse in ANAND SAHIB everyday.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">'Non davaerei purgut keeyei, Dasvan gupt rakhaaeiyah.'</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">'ONE GOD has given us 9 visible 'PORTALS' in our body and the 10th is the hidden one, our spiritual PORTAL, which is given to every individual and through this 10th door one finds the path to seek IK ONG KAAR.'</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">If this is the only path as prescribed in the GURBANI, then how can you and I judge who is a sikh and who is not??!!</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Now let me not deviate myself from subject of Kala Afghana whose books were burnt and also banned by the members of our panth. I would like to know how would you define those people!!! Please let me know when and which of our Gurus beat anyone up, banned and burned the books whom they did not agree with?</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">To the contrary, our Gurus gave thier lives to defend the innocents who were being raped and killed by the fiends even though they did not agree with thier spiritual path.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">I myself do not agree with lots of things that Kala Afghana has said. But is that the reason to beat the guy up because he has offended IK ONG KAAR from our FINITE benchmark?</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Ajit ji,</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Please enlighten me, </span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">1.How can one insult, criticise or be blasphmous to the CREATOR?</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">2.How can we measure the INFINITE with our FINITE yard stick?</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">The answer for the above 2 is NO. As it is NO then we should find the Gurmat way to resolve this.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">My point is that by showing our anger rather than outrage we are making a success out of his books. Had the books been ignored, the matter would have settled and the books would be still collecting dust in the publisher's warehouse. </span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">I have no idea why we have turned a flop movie into a box office hit.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">As sikhs it our duty to contest ANTI GURMAT with GURMAT by giving examples from SGGS ( which has already been done by various scholars of Sikhi) not by beating, by banning or burning his books nor by ex-communicationg someone.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Talking about ex-communication, what does the Panth achieve from this action? Do you think by doing this we have been able to close Kala's 10th PORTAL which can only be bestowed by IK ONG KAAR? NOT POSSIBLE in anyway or form.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">By ex communicating anyone from the PANTH is the same as trying -without success-to close one of the 4 doors of Harimandir Sahib hence running away from Gurmat Ideals.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Let's combat ANTI GURMAT with GURMAT not by using violence the way the marauders did in India. </span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Let the amber of GURMAT light itself from our inner manifestation. Sikhi can not be imposed. It is manifested eternally through our 10th PORTAL which each of us has been blessed with by ONE GOD'S grace. You and I can not even take a peek from someone else's 10th Portal.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">My 2 cent worth.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Tejwant Singh</span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 1130, member: 138"] [b]One more interaction regarding KalaAfghana[/b] Forwarded Message: Subj:[b]Re: [gurmatdiscussions] Re: [Khalistan] Kala Afghana was beaten up in londan ... [/b]Date:6/1/04 12:17:34 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom:RoadRunnr123To:[email="gurmatdiscussions@yahoogroups.com"]gurmatdiscussions@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="news@sikhhelpline.com"]news@sikhhelpline.com[/email], [email="akj@yahoogroups.com"]akj@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="AmericanSikhs@yahoogroups.com"]AmericanSikhs@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="khalistan@yahoogroups.com"]khalistan@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="learning-zone@yahoogroups.com"]learning-zone@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="learning-zonenews@yahoogroups.com"]learning-zonenews@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="naujawan-academy@yahoogroups.com"]naujawan-academy@yahoogroups.com[/email], [email="snamembers@yahoogroups.com"]snamembers@yahoogroups.com[/email], Lsingh4 <<In a message dated 6/1/04 9:16:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email="lsingh4@cs.com"]lsingh4@cs.com[/email] writes:[indent][font=Arial]Tejwant ji Kala afghana is no longer a sikh.he is excommunicared from sikh panth.Before that, at best, he was an atheist,corrupt agent of hidden forces. If he writes trash about sikh scriptures and history with a view to distort sikhism,what else you expect sikhs to do. Gur ki ninda sunne na kaan--- Ajit >>[/font] [/indent][b][size=3]Ajit Singh ji,[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Guru Fateh,[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Only IK ONG KAAR knows who is a Sikh and who is not. You and I will never find out. Hence it is naive to play ONE GOD by judging people about thier spirituality.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]We must remind ourselves as often as possible about our relationship with IK ONG KAAR and how it is obtained, when we read the following verse in ANAND SAHIB everyday.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]'Non davaerei purgut keeyei, Dasvan gupt rakhaaeiyah.'[/size][/b] [b][size=3]'ONE GOD has given us 9 visible 'PORTALS' in our body and the 10th is the hidden one, our spiritual PORTAL, which is given to every individual and through this 10th door one finds the path to seek IK ONG KAAR.'[/size][/b] [b][size=3]If this is the only path as prescribed in the GURBANI, then how can you and I judge who is a sikh and who is not??!![/size][/b] [b][size=3]Now let me not deviate myself from subject of Kala Afghana whose books were burnt and also banned by the members of our panth. I would like to know how would you define those people!!! Please let me know when and which of our Gurus beat anyone up, banned and burned the books whom they did not agree with?[/size][/b] [b][size=3]To the contrary, our Gurus gave thier lives to defend the innocents who were being raped and killed by the fiends even though they did not agree with thier spiritual path.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]I myself do not agree with lots of things that Kala Afghana has said. But is that the reason to beat the guy up because he has offended IK ONG KAAR from our FINITE benchmark?[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Ajit ji,[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Please enlighten me, [/size][/b] [b][size=3]1.How can one insult, criticise or be blasphmous to the CREATOR?[/size][/b] [b][size=3]2.How can we measure the INFINITE with our FINITE yard stick?[/size][/b] [b][size=3]The answer for the above 2 is NO. As it is NO then we should find the Gurmat way to resolve this.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]My point is that by showing our anger rather than outrage we are making a success out of his books. Had the books been ignored, the matter would have settled and the books would be still collecting dust in the publisher's warehouse. [/size][/b] [b][size=3]I have no idea why we have turned a flop movie into a box office hit.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]As sikhs it our duty to contest ANTI GURMAT with GURMAT by giving examples from SGGS ( which has already been done by various scholars of Sikhi) not by beating, by banning or burning his books nor by ex-communicationg someone.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Talking about ex-communication, what does the Panth achieve from this action? Do you think by doing this we have been able to close Kala's 10th PORTAL which can only be bestowed by IK ONG KAAR? NOT POSSIBLE in anyway or form.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]By ex communicating anyone from the PANTH is the same as trying -without success-to close one of the 4 doors of Harimandir Sahib hence running away from Gurmat Ideals.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Let's combat ANTI GURMAT with GURMAT not by using violence the way the marauders did in India. [/size][/b] [b][size=3]Let the amber of GURMAT light itself from our inner manifestation. Sikhi can not be imposed. It is manifested eternally through our 10th PORTAL which each of us has been blessed with by ONE GOD'S grace. You and I can not even take a peek from someone else's 10th Portal.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]My 2 cent worth.[/size][/b] [b][size=3]Tejwant Singh[/size][/b] [/QUOTE]
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