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Kabir Ji Bani Ang 477
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<blockquote data-quote="arshi" data-source="post: 198981" data-attributes="member: 9479"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">There are times when I have not concurred with Sahni ji’s interpretation of Gurbani. However, in this case, I feel, he has a point regarding ‘the son of maya’ interpretation.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I am not exactly sure Sahni ji’s understanding is but this is how I see it with my meagre understanding of Kabir Ji’s Bani.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">As stated in my earlier post (#3) Bhagat Ji has used two scenarios:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">(a) </span><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">kakree-aa (khakhree-aa)</span></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(b) a wedding scenario</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Let us take each in turn:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">(a) </span></strong><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">kakree-aa (khakhree-aa)</span></em></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Our <em>mann</em> under the negative influences of <em>maya</em> is like the fruit from <em>Akk</em> or cactus – bitter and repulsive (the exact identity of the plant is not an issue except it is repulsive and tasteless). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The negative aspects of <em>maya</em> on <em>mann </em>and its inner-concious are illustrated by the characteristics of various animals depicted, e.g. <strong>stubborn, obstinate, merciless, foolish etc.</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Once these are eradicated, the bitter fruit (former <em>mann</em>) is now transformed in to a <strong>sweet mango ready for consumption</strong>. The ‘soul-bride’ is now ready to go into wed-lock with the Truth, Parmatma, WaheGuru (Sikhs use different terms for this and I do not wish to enter into another debate). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(b) a wedding scenario</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gurbani has referred to our inner-conscious, <em>jeea</em>, <em>surt</em>i, in feminine form. This <em>mind’s surti </em>(<em>anteh-karan</em>, inner-conscious) which, previously, was like an ignorant, stupid, ugly bride of low status has now turned into a vivacious, wise bride of </span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">divine understanding.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੰਸ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੂਤੁ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੀਆਹਨ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਲਿਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁਇਨੇ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੰਡਪ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛਾਏ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੂਪ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੰਨਿਆ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁੰਦਰਿ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੇਧੀ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਸੈ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿੰਘ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਨ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਾਏ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩॥ </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><em><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">bans ko poo<u>t</u> bee-aahan chali-aa su-inay mandap <u>chh</u>aa-ay. (SGS 477)</span></em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Maya is <em>baanjh</em> and therefore does not give birth but we become her ‘adopted’ sons by adopting </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">the three qualities (Gunn) of Maya — three thought-conditions or states of the mind. (<em>Sato</em>, <em>Rajo, Tamo</em>)</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The <em>mann</em> which was previously under the grip of <em>maya</em> (as we say in Punjabi - “<em>maya da putar banyaa baitha see”</em>), now, with humility nurtured through the teachings of Guru, has transformed into an eligible son ready to step on to the <em>mandap,</em> bedecked with beautiful pillars under the golden canopy of Gian and enlightenment. The conscious mind is now in congruence with the pure, virgin and unstained <em>surti </em>(i.e. the mind’s <em>surat</em><em> or surti</em> is now rid of all vicars (negative traits).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">As always I stand corrected.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="arshi, post: 198981, member: 9479"] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]There are times when I have not concurred with Sahni ji’s interpretation of Gurbani. However, in this case, I feel, he has a point regarding ‘the son of maya’ interpretation.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]I am not exactly sure Sahni ji’s understanding is but this is how I see it with my meagre understanding of Kabir Ji’s Bani.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]As stated in my earlier post (#3) Bhagat Ji has used two scenarios:[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana](a) [/FONT][I][FONT=Tahoma]kakree-aa (khakhree-aa)[/FONT][/I][/SIZE] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](b) a wedding scenario[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Let us take each in turn:[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2][B][FONT=Verdana](a) [/FONT][/B][B][I][FONT=Tahoma]kakree-aa (khakhree-aa)[/FONT][/I][/B][/SIZE] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Our [I]mann[/I] under the negative influences of [I]maya[/I] is like the fruit from [I]Akk[/I] or cactus – bitter and repulsive (the exact identity of the plant is not an issue except it is repulsive and tasteless). [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]The negative aspects of [I]maya[/I] on [I]mann [/I]and its inner-concious are illustrated by the characteristics of various animals depicted, e.g. [B]stubborn, obstinate, merciless, foolish etc.[/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Once these are eradicated, the bitter fruit (former [I]mann[/I]) is now transformed in to a [B]sweet mango ready for consumption[/B]. The ‘soul-bride’ is now ready to go into wed-lock with the Truth, Parmatma, WaheGuru (Sikhs use different terms for this and I do not wish to enter into another debate). [/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](b) a wedding scenario[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]Gurbani has referred to our inner-conscious, [I]jeea[/I], [I]surt[/I]i, in feminine form. This [I]mind’s surti [/I]([I]anteh-karan[/I], inner-conscious) which, previously, was like an ignorant, stupid, ugly bride of low status has now turned into a vivacious, wise bride of [/FONT][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]divine understanding.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=Raavi]ਬੰਸ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪੂਤੁ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਬੀਆਹਨ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਚਲਿਆ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁਇਨੇ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮੰਡਪ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਛਾਏ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਰੂਪ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕੰਨਿਆ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁੰਦਰਿ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਬੇਧੀ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਸੈ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਿੰਘ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਨ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਗਾਏ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੩॥ [/FONT][SIZE=2][I][FONT=Tahoma]bans ko poo[U]t[/U] bee-aahan chali-aa su-inay mandap [U]chh[/U]aa-ay. (SGS 477)[/FONT][/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]Maya is [I]baanjh[/I] and therefore does not give birth but we become her ‘adopted’ sons by adopting [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]the three qualities (Gunn) of Maya — three thought-conditions or states of the mind. ([I]Sato[/I], [I]Rajo, Tamo[/I])[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman].[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]The [I]mann[/I] which was previously under the grip of [I]maya[/I] (as we say in Punjabi - “[I]maya da putar banyaa baitha see”[/I]), now, with humility nurtured through the teachings of Guru, has transformed into an eligible son ready to step on to the [I]mandap,[/I] bedecked with beautiful pillars under the golden canopy of Gian and enlightenment. The conscious mind is now in congruence with the pure, virgin and unstained [I]surti [/I](i.e. the mind’s [I]surat[/I][I] or surti[/I] is now rid of all vicars (negative traits).[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]As always I stand corrected.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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