☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Interfaith Dialogues
Jiddu Krishnamurthi
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 93324" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>My post is my own impression about Krishnamurti without showing any disrespect to the thinker. I found Eric Fromm' "the art of loving" more interesting than the views of Krishnamurti on love.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Krishnamurti talks on mind and its capability to learn more if it is already filled with other knowledge</strong></p><p> With the known, is there any space in it to receive something that is of the unknown?”(Krishnamurti)</p><p> <strong>How can he limit the mind? In learning, is it necessary to erase the stuff already in there to add some thing of unknown? From his words, it appears he is right but actually he is not. Mind only then defy the learning when “will to learn” is either gone or by being taken over by previous existing knowledge with high gravity of belief. Interestingly the mind in progression learns more unknown.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>In context of surrendering to God, Krishnamurti ji is bases “surrendering to the God” on hear say</strong></p><p> “The known is a creation of the mind because thought is the result of the known, of the past, and thought can only create what it knows; therefore what it knows is not the eternal, that is why when you surrender to the will of God, you are surrendering to your own projections, it may be gratifying, comforting but it is not the real..(Krishnamurti)”</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Obviously he based his idea on hear say on surrendering to will of God. Actually, surrendering to the will of the God is to take the world as it is. It is not a thought but a practical way out to seek harmony in contradictory situations. Every day, you surrender to the unknown power of the state, don’t you?, Actually you don’t know the power of the state unless you defy and face consequences. Who pursue to surrender to the will of God are not saying because they hear from others but they experienced the so called “perception” as a reality</strong> <strong>and found the mind stilled</strong>.</p><p> “you are generous when it pays you, you are merciful when you see something in return..”(Krishnamurti)</p><p> <strong>You see, one mind’s thought could be a terrible conclusion, examples are found that there are people are generous without even hoping for a name or thanks ( Bhagat Puran Singh..). I have witnessed mothers forgiving the killers of their sons and daughters, showing mercy without getting anything in return. As a matter of fact, many times the rationality projects irrational thoughts. Krishnamuti limits the capacities and power of mind in different situations. He is black or white on acts of mind. I can dissect a lot of paragraphs found in “The first and Last Freed” My last comment on his impractical solutions</strong></p><p> The moment you give a name to that which you call fear, you strengthen it,(Krishnamurti)</p><p> <strong>We do not strengthen fears by naming it but by <u>believing in it</u></strong></p><p> but if you can look at that feeling without terming it, you will see that it withers away.(Krishnamurti) </p><p> <strong>As long as one believes in fear by supporting with consequences, it stays regardless you stop terming</strong> <strong>or naming it</strong>.</p><p> Therefore if one would be completely free of fear it is essential to understand this whole process of terming, of projecting symbols, images, giving names to facts.(Krishnamurti)</p><p> <strong>Let me give example, a seeker of the Lord thinks that death word used for end of breathing is nothing but a moment of uniting with the Origin. Throw hundred terms defining the fear and consequences of it on him, those all given terms will fail to scare him. Where Krishnamurti ji’s theory of terming fear is strengthens it? Actually it is all about believing in it.</strong></p><p> There can be freedom from fear only when there is self-knowledge, self knowledge is the beginning of wisdom, which is the ending of fear(Krishnamurti)</p><p> <strong>Self knowledge comes with terms, only change occurs is awareness of the surroundings, that understanding gives new meaning to the term “fear”</strong></p><p> <strong>Note All quotes are taken from” The first and last freedom by Krishnamurti”</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 93324, member: 5889"] [B]My post is my own impression about Krishnamurti without showing any disrespect to the thinker. I found Eric Fromm' "the art of loving" more interesting than the views of Krishnamurti on love. [/B] [B]Krishnamurti talks on mind and its capability to learn more if it is already filled with other knowledge[/B] With the known, is there any space in it to receive something that is of the unknown?”(Krishnamurti) [B]How can he limit the mind? In learning, is it necessary to erase the stuff already in there to add some thing of unknown? From his words, it appears he is right but actually he is not. Mind only then defy the learning when “will to learn” is either gone or by being taken over by previous existing knowledge with high gravity of belief. Interestingly the mind in progression learns more unknown.[/B] [B]In context of surrendering to God, Krishnamurti ji is bases “surrendering to the God” on hear say[/B] “The known is a creation of the mind because thought is the result of the known, of the past, and thought can only create what it knows; therefore what it knows is not the eternal, that is why when you surrender to the will of God, you are surrendering to your own projections, it may be gratifying, comforting but it is not the real..(Krishnamurti)” [B]Obviously he based his idea on hear say on surrendering to will of God. Actually, surrendering to the will of the God is to take the world as it is. It is not a thought but a practical way out to seek harmony in contradictory situations. Every day, you surrender to the unknown power of the state, don’t you?, Actually you don’t know the power of the state unless you defy and face consequences. Who pursue to surrender to the will of God are not saying because they hear from others but they experienced the so called “perception” as a reality[/B] [B]and found the mind stilled[/B]. “you are generous when it pays you, you are merciful when you see something in return..”(Krishnamurti) [B]You see, one mind’s thought could be a terrible conclusion, examples are found that there are people are generous without even hoping for a name or thanks ( Bhagat Puran Singh..). I have witnessed mothers forgiving the killers of their sons and daughters, showing mercy without getting anything in return. As a matter of fact, many times the rationality projects irrational thoughts. Krishnamuti limits the capacities and power of mind in different situations. He is black or white on acts of mind. I can dissect a lot of paragraphs found in “The first and Last Freed” My last comment on his impractical solutions[/B] The moment you give a name to that which you call fear, you strengthen it,(Krishnamurti) [B]We do not strengthen fears by naming it but by [U]believing in it[/U][/B] but if you can look at that feeling without terming it, you will see that it withers away.(Krishnamurti) [B]As long as one believes in fear by supporting with consequences, it stays regardless you stop terming[/B] [B]or naming it[/B]. Therefore if one would be completely free of fear it is essential to understand this whole process of terming, of projecting symbols, images, giving names to facts.(Krishnamurti) [B]Let me give example, a seeker of the Lord thinks that death word used for end of breathing is nothing but a moment of uniting with the Origin. Throw hundred terms defining the fear and consequences of it on him, those all given terms will fail to scare him. Where Krishnamurti ji’s theory of terming fear is strengthens it? Actually it is all about believing in it.[/B] There can be freedom from fear only when there is self-knowledge, self knowledge is the beginning of wisdom, which is the ending of fear(Krishnamurti) [B]Self knowledge comes with terms, only change occurs is awareness of the surroundings, that understanding gives new meaning to the term “fear”[/B] [B]Note All quotes are taken from” The first and last freedom by Krishnamurti”[/B] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Interfaith Dialogues
Jiddu Krishnamurthi
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top