☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Guru Granth Sahib
Jup Banee
Japji Translation Questions
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 135232" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Ishna ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru fateh.</p><p></p><p>I happen to agree with Jasleen ji. Sant Singh Khalsa got that translation from Yogi Bhajan and sad to say that most of his literal translation is misleading and distorted hence does injustice to this beautiful poetry. It is tough to turn any poetry into prose especially Gurbani from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only Guru.Unfortunately Bhai Manmohan Singh also translates the verse just like Sant Singh Khalsa.However, there is a bright side. Prof.Sahib Singh has explained it well. If you know Gurmukhi, Prof. Sahib Singh's explanations are the best.</p><p></p><p>Allow me to express why SOCH- SUCH- Purity is not what Sant Singh Khalsa and Bhai Manmohan Singh claim it to be as thinking.</p><p></p><p>In Hindu mythology, it is claimed that there are four ways that help one to become a better/perfect/holy/in-tuned/be closest with/to The Source- Ik Ong Kaar.</p><p></p><p>1. To take dips in the holy waters of all the religious places. Guru Nanak said nothing is going to happen with this silly ritual which can not even cleanse our outer body.</p><p></p><p>ਸੋਚੈ ਸੋਚਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਸੋਚੀ ਲਖ ਵਾਰ ॥ </p><p>Socẖai socẖ na hova▫ī je socẖī lakẖ vār.</p><p></p><p>2. To keep the vow of silence called Mon Vrat. Guru Nanak said that the tempests and the hurricanes within will not stop making horrendous noises if we force ourselves to keep silent.</p><p></p><p>ਚੁਪੈ ਚੁਪ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਲਾਇ ਰਹਾ ਲਿਵ ਤਾਰ ॥ </p><p>Cẖupai cẖup na hova▫ī je lā▫e rahā liv ṯār. </p><p></p><p>3. To eat as much as one can to satiate one's hunger. Guru Nanak said that no matter how much one eats, after sometimes the hunger will comeback.Gluttony brings nothing but more gluttony.</p><p></p><p>ਭੁਖਿਆ ਭੁਖ ਨ ਉਤਰੀ ਜੇ ਬੰਨਾ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਭਾਰ ॥ </p><p>Bẖukẖi▫ā bẖukẖ na uṯrī je bannā purī▫ā bẖār.</p><p></p><p>4.To gain knowledge by reading and becoming good parrots where one can spit out words to impress one's opponent. Guru Nanak said that no matter how much one indulges in Me-ism by claiming to know everything results in naught if one has not learnt anything from that.This verse would be the duplication of thinking if SOCH were taken as such which would not make any sense.</p><p></p><p>ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਲਖ ਹੋਹਿ ਤ ਇਕ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ </p><p>Sahas si▫āṇpā lakẖ hohi ṯa ik na cẖalai nāl.</p><p></p><p>In the following verse Guru Nanak questions himself, how can one become the Truth seeker then? What is the modus operandi for this to take place?</p><p></p><p>ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥ </p><p>Kiv sacẖi▫ārā ho▫ī▫ai kiv kūrhai ṯutai pāl. </p><p></p><p>The answer lies in the last verse of the pauri which is the stepping stone of one's initiation to cultivate Gurmat thought process- Sikhi thinking.</p><p></p><p>One must learn to tread on the path of the HUKAM in order to start cultivating Gurmat- the thought process of One-ism.</p><p></p><p>ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ </p><p>Hukam rajā▫ī cẖalṇā Nānak likẖi▫ā nāl. ||1|| </p><p></p><p>In fact, Sikhi encourages one to cultivate the thought process in order to breed goodness within. Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only GURU is filled with the tools to lead us towards that.</p><p></p><p>So, SOCH as in thinking is part of Sikhi not SOCH as SUCH-becoming "pure" by taking dips in holy waters.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 135232, member: 138"] Ishna ji, Guru fateh. I happen to agree with Jasleen ji. Sant Singh Khalsa got that translation from Yogi Bhajan and sad to say that most of his literal translation is misleading and distorted hence does injustice to this beautiful poetry. It is tough to turn any poetry into prose especially Gurbani from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only Guru.Unfortunately Bhai Manmohan Singh also translates the verse just like Sant Singh Khalsa.However, there is a bright side. Prof.Sahib Singh has explained it well. If you know Gurmukhi, Prof. Sahib Singh's explanations are the best. Allow me to express why SOCH- SUCH- Purity is not what Sant Singh Khalsa and Bhai Manmohan Singh claim it to be as thinking. In Hindu mythology, it is claimed that there are four ways that help one to become a better/perfect/holy/in-tuned/be closest with/to The Source- Ik Ong Kaar. 1. To take dips in the holy waters of all the religious places. Guru Nanak said nothing is going to happen with this silly ritual which can not even cleanse our outer body. ਸੋਚੈ ਸੋਚਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਸੋਚੀ ਲਖ ਵਾਰ ॥ Socẖai socẖ na hova▫ī je socẖī lakẖ vār. 2. To keep the vow of silence called Mon Vrat. Guru Nanak said that the tempests and the hurricanes within will not stop making horrendous noises if we force ourselves to keep silent. ਚੁਪੈ ਚੁਪ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਲਾਇ ਰਹਾ ਲਿਵ ਤਾਰ ॥ Cẖupai cẖup na hova▫ī je lā▫e rahā liv ṯār. 3. To eat as much as one can to satiate one's hunger. Guru Nanak said that no matter how much one eats, after sometimes the hunger will comeback.Gluttony brings nothing but more gluttony. ਭੁਖਿਆ ਭੁਖ ਨ ਉਤਰੀ ਜੇ ਬੰਨਾ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਭਾਰ ॥ Bẖukẖi▫ā bẖukẖ na uṯrī je bannā purī▫ā bẖār. 4.To gain knowledge by reading and becoming good parrots where one can spit out words to impress one's opponent. Guru Nanak said that no matter how much one indulges in Me-ism by claiming to know everything results in naught if one has not learnt anything from that.This verse would be the duplication of thinking if SOCH were taken as such which would not make any sense. ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਲਖ ਹੋਹਿ ਤ ਇਕ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ Sahas si▫āṇpā lakẖ hohi ṯa ik na cẖalai nāl. In the following verse Guru Nanak questions himself, how can one become the Truth seeker then? What is the modus operandi for this to take place? ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥ Kiv sacẖi▫ārā ho▫ī▫ai kiv kūrhai ṯutai pāl. The answer lies in the last verse of the pauri which is the stepping stone of one's initiation to cultivate Gurmat thought process- Sikhi thinking. One must learn to tread on the path of the HUKAM in order to start cultivating Gurmat- the thought process of One-ism. ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ Hukam rajā▫ī cẖalṇā Nānak likẖi▫ā nāl. ||1|| In fact, Sikhi encourages one to cultivate the thought process in order to breed goodness within. Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only GURU is filled with the tools to lead us towards that. So, SOCH as in thinking is part of Sikhi not SOCH as SUCH-becoming "pure" by taking dips in holy waters. Regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Guru Granth Sahib
Jup Banee
Japji Translation Questions
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top