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Japji Sahib - Pauri 5th
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<blockquote data-quote="Amarpal" data-source="post: 1165" data-attributes="member: 10"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dear Members,</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I share with you my understanding of 5th Pauri of Japji Sahib.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In this Pauri, Guru Sahib has tried to convey to us what could be explained about ‘Karta Purakh’ with all the limitations of the tools of communication that we humans have i.e. words and perceptions. In the end he tells that all the beings have a link to one common entity and this should never be forgotten. The details of my understanding is given below.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">QwipAw n jwie kIqw n hoie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">thaapi-aa na jaa-ay kee<u>t</u>aa na ho-ay.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In this sentence Guru Sahib has stated that we cannot form/construct ‘Karta Purakh’, we cannot create him.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">Awpy Awip inrMjnu soie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">aapay aap niranjan so-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here Guru sahib conveys to us that the ‘Karta Purakh’, the spotless, the blemish less, the immaculate is there on its own. In other words Guru Sahib tells us that ‘Sat’ does not need any sustenance or support or any other input from outside (if we look deeper there is no outside for Karta Purakh every entity is within ‘The Absolute’) - ‘ Sat Kartar’ is comprehensive.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">ijin syivAw iqin pwieAw mwnu ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">jin sayvi-aa <u>t</u>in paa-i-aa maan.</span> </span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib says that those who serve ‘Karta Purakh’ are honoured. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The question that comes to my mind is that ‘Karta Purakh’ is ‘Nirakaar’ how can we serve this entity? It cannot be the way we serve our elders. After pondering over this issue, I come to what is my current thinking. Presently, I hold the opinion that I can serve ‘Karta Purakh’ by living my internal life based on truth, contentment, and thoughtfulness; interface with the outside world based on sharing, compassion and finally by remaining imbued in the ‘Karta Purakh’, keeping in mind what Guru Sahib has said in the end of this Pauri.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">nwnk gwvIAY guxI inDwnu ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">naanak gaavee-ai gu<u>n</u>ee ni<u>Dh</u>aan.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib says that one should sing of ‘Karta Purakh’ who is the treasure of positive attributes.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">gwvIAY suxIAY min rKIAY Bwau ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">gaavee-ai su<u>n</u>ee-ai man ra<u>kh</u>ee-ai <u>bh</u>aa-o.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib says that one should sing, listen, and keep in the thought of ‘Karta Purakh’</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In the above two sentences Guru Sahib is telling us how to remained imbued in ‘Karta Purakh’</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">duKu prhir suKu Gir lY jwie ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><u><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">d</span></u><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">u<u>kh</u> parhar su<u>kh</u> <u>gh</u>ar lai jaa-ay.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The meaning of these words is that your suffering will cease and the ‘sukh’ (happiness) will come to your home.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This meaning gives me a feeling that there is a mechanical exchange, which I think cannot be true; ‘Karta Purakh’ is not a trader. I hold the opinion that it is not for ‘Karta Purakh’ to help us get over the sufferings from our life. This I say because I know that we ourselves are the cause of our sufferings. As Guru Sahib has said in 4th Pauri that this ‘life form’ that one has got is the result of the individuals Karmas, so for the bad Karmas the Hukam will act, one cannot escape from sufferings.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When I read the previous sentence and this one together, the implied intent of the message Guru Sahib is giving us and the process that give effect to its meaning becomes clear. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The process that gives effect to what Guru Sahib has said, as I understand today, is that when the individual is imbued with the greatness of ‘Karta Purakh’, the dualities of ‘sukh’ and ‘dukh’ will disappear from the thinking of the individual and only life as it comes will remain which is within the ‘Hukam’ of ‘Karta Purakh’. This absence of conflict among the dualities will give peace and that is the implied meaning of sukh in this sentence. The Ghar referrer to in this sentence, to me, does not mean the place where we live – dwelling or residence or home; it is the mind where the dualities reside and the resulting suffering and pleasures are felt. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Please note:</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have used the word suffering and not pain. Pain is connected with the body and cannot be avoided by any being; the suffering is mental and can be avoided by suitable conditioning the attitudes.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">gurmuiK nwdM gurmuiK vydM gurmuiK rihAw smweI ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">gurmu<u>kh</u> naa<u>d</u>aN gurmu<u>kh</u> vay<u>d</u>aN gurmu<u>kh</u> rahi-aa samaa-ee.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This sentence tells that Guru’s word is the original sound, the wisdom of all the Vedas and his word pervades all over. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">guru eIsru guru gorKu brmw guru pwrbqI mweI ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">gur eesar gur gora<u>kh</u> barmaa gur paarba<u>t</u>ee maa-ee.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here Guru Sahib says that Guru is Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, and Paarvati.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The above two sentences I take together because the central idea in it appears to me the same. Guru Sahib had to start from where his audience was. The mythological concepts (Naad etc) and figures (Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma etc) were all well ingrained in the mind of those who were seeking spiritual guidance from him. This was essential for effective communication. In the above two sentences he has conveyed that all of them are one. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Please note:</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Use of these concept and name of the figure by Guru Sahibs in explaining does not mean that those concepts and figures are true or Guru Sahib is endorsing the mythology to which they belong.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">jy hau jwxw AwKw nwhI khxw kQnu n jweI ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jay ha-o jaa<u>n</u>aa aa<u>kh</u>aa naahee kah<u>n</u>aa kathan na jaa-ee.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> In this sentence Guru Sahib is telling us that even knowing ‘Karta Purakh’ this entity cannot be described, it simply cannot be stated (he know that because that is the case with him). Here he is telling us the limitation words and perceptions; the tools we humans use to communicate </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">gurw iek dyih buJweI ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">guraa ik <u>d</u>ayhi bu<u>jh</u>aa-ee.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib now tells us one very important aspect that he has learnt/ understood from his Guru – ‘Karta Purakh. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">sBnw jIAw kw ieku dwqw so mY ivsir n jweI ]5] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">sa<u>bh</u>naa jee-aa kaa ik <u>d</u>aa<u>t</u>aa so mai visar na jaa-ee. ||5||</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This learning he share with us in this sentence and that is all the life forms come from the same source and this is never to be forgotten. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In a way he is saying that all the being have the same link, we are in this way one. This is what I meant above where I discussed how to serve ‘Nirakaar’</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With Love and Respect for all.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Amarpal</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amarpal, post: 1165, member: 10"] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Dear Members,[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]I share with you my understanding of 5th Pauri of Japji Sahib.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]In this Pauri, Guru Sahib has tried to convey to us what could be explained about ‘Karta Purakh’ with all the limitations of the tools of communication that we humans have i.e. words and perceptions. In the end he tells that all the beings have a link to one common entity and this should never be forgotten. The details of my understanding is given below.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]QwipAw n jwie kIqw n hoie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]thaapi-aa na jaa-ay kee[u]t[/u]aa na ho-ay.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]In this sentence Guru Sahib has stated that we cannot form/construct ‘Karta Purakh’, we cannot create him.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]Awpy Awip inrMjnu soie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]aapay aap niranjan so-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Here Guru sahib conveys to us that the ‘Karta Purakh’, the spotless, the blemish less, the immaculate is there on its own. In other words Guru Sahib tells us that ‘Sat’ does not need any sustenance or support or any other input from outside (if we look deeper there is no outside for Karta Purakh every entity is within ‘The Absolute’) - ‘ Sat Kartar’ is comprehensive.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]ijin syivAw iqin pwieAw mwnu ] [/font][/color][size=3][font=Tahoma]jin sayvi-aa [u]t[/u]in paa-i-aa maan.[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Sahib says that those who serve ‘Karta Purakh’ are honoured. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The question that comes to my mind is that ‘Karta Purakh’ is ‘Nirakaar’ how can we serve this entity? It cannot be the way we serve our elders. After pondering over this issue, I come to what is my current thinking. Presently, I hold the opinion that I can serve ‘Karta Purakh’ by living my internal life based on truth, contentment, and thoughtfulness; interface with the outside world based on sharing, compassion and finally by remaining imbued in the ‘Karta Purakh’, keeping in mind what Guru Sahib has said in the end of this Pauri.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]nwnk gwvIAY guxI inDwnu ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]naanak gaavee-ai gu[u]n[/u]ee ni[u]Dh[/u]aan.[/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Sahib says that one should sing of ‘Karta Purakh’ who is the treasure of positive attributes.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]gwvIAY suxIAY min rKIAY Bwau ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]gaavee-ai su[u]n[/u]ee-ai man ra[u]kh[/u]ee-ai [u]bh[/u]aa-o.[/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Sahib says that one should sing, listen, and keep in the thought of ‘Karta Purakh’[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]In the above two sentences Guru Sahib is telling us how to remained imbued in ‘Karta Purakh’[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]duKu prhir suKu Gir lY jwie ] [/font][/color][size=3][u][font=Tahoma]d[/font][/u][font=Tahoma]u[u]kh[/u] parhar su[u]kh[/u] [u]gh[/u]ar lai jaa-ay.[/font][/size] [font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The meaning of these words is that your suffering will cease and the ‘sukh’ (happiness) will come to your home.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]This meaning gives me a feeling that there is a mechanical exchange, which I think cannot be true; ‘Karta Purakh’ is not a trader. I hold the opinion that it is not for ‘Karta Purakh’ to help us get over the sufferings from our life. This I say because I know that we ourselves are the cause of our sufferings. As Guru Sahib has said in 4th Pauri that this ‘life form’ that one has got is the result of the individuals Karmas, so for the bad Karmas the Hukam will act, one cannot escape from sufferings.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]When I read the previous sentence and this one together, the implied intent of the message Guru Sahib is giving us and the process that give effect to its meaning becomes clear. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]The process that gives effect to what Guru Sahib has said, as I understand today, is that when the individual is imbued with the greatness of ‘Karta Purakh’, the dualities of ‘sukh’ and ‘dukh’ will disappear from the thinking of the individual and only life as it comes will remain which is within the ‘Hukam’ of ‘Karta Purakh’. This absence of conflict among the dualities will give peace and that is the implied meaning of sukh in this sentence. The Ghar referrer to in this sentence, to me, does not mean the place where we live – dwelling or residence or home; it is the mind where the dualities reside and the resulting suffering and pleasures are felt. [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Please note:[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]I have used the word suffering and not pain. Pain is connected with the body and cannot be avoided by any being; the suffering is mental and can be avoided by suitable conditioning the attitudes.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]gurmuiK nwdM gurmuiK vydM gurmuiK rihAw smweI ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]gurmu[u]kh[/u] naa[u]d[/u]aN gurmu[u]kh[/u] vay[u]d[/u]aN gurmu[u]kh[/u] rahi-aa samaa-ee. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]This sentence tells that Guru’s word is the original sound, the wisdom of all the Vedas and his word pervades all over. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]guru eIsru guru gorKu brmw guru pwrbqI mweI ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]gur eesar gur gora[u]kh[/u] barmaa gur paarba[u]t[/u]ee maa-ee.[/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Here Guru Sahib says that Guru is Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, and Paarvati.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The above two sentences I take together because the central idea in it appears to me the same. Guru Sahib had to start from where his audience was. The mythological concepts (Naad etc) and figures (Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma etc) were all well ingrained in the mind of those who were seeking spiritual guidance from him. This was essential for effective communication. In the above two sentences he has conveyed that all of them are one. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Please note:[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Use of these concept and name of the figure by Guru Sahibs in explaining does not mean that those concepts and figures are true or Guru Sahib is endorsing the mythology to which they belong. [/size][/font] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]jy hau jwxw AwKw nwhI khxw kQnu n jweI ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]jay ha-o jaa[u]n[/u]aa aa[u]kh[/u]aa naahee kah[u]n[/u]aa kathan na jaa-ee. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] In this sentence Guru Sahib is telling us that even knowing ‘Karta Purakh’ this entity cannot be described, it simply cannot be stated (he know that because that is the case with him). Here he is telling us the limitation words and perceptions; the tools we humans use to communicate [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]gurw iek dyih buJweI ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]guraa ik [u]d[/u]ayhi bu[u]jh[/u]aa-ee. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Sahib now tells us one very important aspect that he has learnt/ understood from his Guru – ‘Karta Purakh. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]sBnw jIAw kw ieku dwqw so mY ivsir n jweI ]5] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]sa[u]bh[/u]naa jee-aa kaa ik [u]d[/u]aa[u]t[/u]aa so mai visar na jaa-ee. ||5||[/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]This learning he share with us in this sentence and that is all the life forms come from the same source and this is never to be forgotten. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]In a way he is saying that all the being have the same link, we are in this way one. This is what I meant above where I discussed how to serve ‘Nirakaar’[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]With Love and Respect for all.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font='Times New Roman']Amarpal[/font] [/QUOTE]
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Guru Granth Sahib
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Japji Sahib - Pauri 5th
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