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Guru Granth Sahib
Jup Banee
Japji Sahib - Pauri 12, 13, 14, 15
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<blockquote data-quote="Amarpal" data-source="post: 1542" data-attributes="member: 10"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dear Members,</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In this post, I share with you all, my understanding of 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th Pauri of Japji Sahib.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have taken these four Pauris together because all of these basically talk about </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY</span></span> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The sentences of these Pauris are given serial number of easy reference, if needed. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib says:</span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">1. </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny kI giq khI n jwie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannay kee ga<u>t</u> kahee na jaa-ay.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The state of those who <span style="color: maroon">are intrinsically spiritual </span>cannot be described.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Discussion:</span></span></u></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I had problem in understanding what Guru Sahib meant by this sentence. The problem came from the word </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The English words that are used for these two words of Gurmukhi in the published literature on Siri Guru Granth Sahib are: faithful, obeyer, believer, and true believer. All these words apply to the individual who belong to this world. Their state i.e. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">giq</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> can be described; the physical, mental, psychological, behavioral, DNA, medical and bio-chemical attributes can be described. As a result, the question that comes to my mind, why have Guru Sahib have said that the state of this </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: maroon">cannot be described. Guru Sahib cannot be wrong, my understanding can be wrong.</span> After pondering over this issue, I realised that only if we do not have words to describe the state, then only this difficulty, which Guru Sahib has pointed out, can arise. Such a situation can arise only if the individual does not belong to the world for which we have all the words. We have words for the material world; we do not have words for the world beyond. This clue tells me that </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> is probably refers to the individual who physically live in this world but really has crossed it and belongs to the ‘spiritual world’. The actions of </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> are not stemming from any desire or emotion. Her/his actions are coming from the spirituality within her/him. This individual </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> is intrinsically spiritual, her/ his spirituality does not come from any external source it is all from within. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Such an individual has realise the ‘Sat’, but has no words to convey to the world what that realisation is. To me, this is what Guru Sahib meant when he said that the state of </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">couldn’t be described. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This understanding forms my basis to use the term ‘intrinsically spiritual’ to mean </span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or </span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> in the English translation.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">jy ko khY ipCY pCuqwie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jay ko kahai pi<u>chh</u>ai pa<u>chh</u>u<u>t</u>aa-ay.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The individual who tries to describe this state shall regret the attempt.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Discussion:</span></span></u></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As evident from the discussion on Sentence # 1, we do not have words to describe the state of intrinsically spiritual person. After all, the words exist for items in common knowledge and those, which constitute common experience of a perception, feeling etc. The experience of ‘Sat’ falls in none of these two classes. So if some one tries to explain this experience she/he will have to depend on words, whatever will be described will be very approximate, as words cannot exactly reflect what the individual wants to convey. In addition the same word has different meaning to different individuals, what is said by one can mean something different to different individuals; this can lead to further distortion in what the individual describing the experience meant. Naturally, the individual who has attempted to describe will regret when she/he finds a wide gap in what she/he wanted to convey and what do different individuals have understood. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This is what is my understanding of what Guru Sahib wanted to convey through this sentence. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">3. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">kwgid klm n ilKxhwru ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">kaaga<u>d</u> kalam na li<u>kh</u>a<u>n</u>haar.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There is no paper, no pen, and no scribe to describe.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">4. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMny kw bih krin vIcwru ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannay kaa bahi karan veechaar.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The record of the state of individual who are intrinsically spiritual can only be a subject of thinking.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">5. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is. (Please note I have used the word Sat for Naam). </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Discussion:</span></span></u></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Sahib has used the word ‘Satnaam’ in the Mool Mantra. It is understood to mean that the ‘One’ is true, or truth is ‘One’ name or something similar. My understanding is different, which I elaborate below.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">‘Sat’ means the ultimate, which remains when every thing disappear; it is the source and repository of all. What this ‘Sat’ really is only those who had realised know it; it is not in common knowledge. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There is no specific name that can be given to this entity. Any attempt to do so will restrict it to the confines that the word implies. Any name given will confer its attributes to this ‘Sat’, which tends to pollute it. The limitless cannot be confined in the meaning of any word. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To me it appears, it is for this above mentioned reason Guru Sahib has not given any specific name to this ‘Sat’; he has left his name to be known as ‘Naam’ only; this word does not confine or give any attribute to ‘Sat’. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When I use the word ‘Naam,’ to me it implies ‘Sat’. For me ‘Sat’ is ‘Naam’ and ‘Naam’ implies ‘Sat’. For this reason, I have used the word ‘Sat’ in the English translation for the word </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">nwmu</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: maroon"> i.e. Naam</span>. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">6. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]12] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jay ko man jaa<u>n</u>ai man ko-ay. ||12||</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Only those who are intrinsically spiritual (who have realised ‘Sat’) alone can know it.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">7. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY suriq hovY min buiD ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai sura<u>t</u> hovai man bu<u>Dh</u>.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual have an awareness of the enlightened.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">8. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY sgl Bvx kI suiD ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai sagal <u>bh</u>ava<u>n</u> kee su<u>Dh</u>.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual have the alertness for all that is around.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">9. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY muih cotw nw Kwie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai muhi chotaa naa <u>kh</u>aa-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual will not be struck on the face. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><u>Discussion:</u> </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The conduct of the intrinsically spiritual person will be such that no one will ever try to hurt this individual. Even if some one tries, it will not mean any thing to the intrinsically spiritual person.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">10. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY jm kY swiQ n jwie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai jam kai saath na jaa-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual do not go with Yama the messenger of death.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Discussion:</span></span></u></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If the literal translation is to taken as true, then those individuals should be living with us now; we see none from the past. It means our understanding has to be corrected. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To learn what Guru Sahib meant, we have to concentrate on two words: (i) Death and (ii) Yama. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Every time we sleep, during the period of sleep, in a way, we are dead. Yet we do not fear sleep because we know that in all probability we will get up again. Death is one-way event. We have attachments in this world we fear the loss, we do not want to die. Though death is a certain event, it was known the moment some one is born; yet no one prepares for it. It is the fear associate with this even that makes it so dreadful.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yama is a mythological entity. To me it is just an artistic depiction of the fear of death; the figure is not real.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To me, it appears, that Guru Sahib is telling us that the intrinsically spiritual figure is prepared for her/his death; this individual has no fear of death. As there is no fear, there cannot be Yama. It is for this reason Guru Sahib has said that </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY jm kY swiQ n jwie ]</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">11. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">12. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]13] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jay ko man jaa<u>n</u>ai man ko-ay. ||13||</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Only those who are intrinsically spiritual alone can know it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">13. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY mwrig Twk n pwie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai maarag <u>th</u>aak na paa-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The path of those who are intrinsically spiritual shall never be blocked.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">14. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY piq isau prgtu jwie ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">mannai pa<u>t</u> si-o pargat jaa-ay.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual have totally transparent lives. (Meaning that they have nothing to hide).</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">15. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY mgu n clY pMQu ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai mag na chalai panth.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual do not follow rituals.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Discussion:</span></span></u></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">As ‘Karta Purakh’ is nirakaar, rituals have no meaning to it. The intrinsically spiritual persons, who has realised the ‘Sat’ knows it and hence does not practice the rituals. Such individual has elevated herself/himself much above the worldly acts, including religious rituals. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> 16. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY Drm syqI snbMDu ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai <u>Dh</u>aram say<u>t</u>ee san-ban<u>Dh</u>.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual follow their Dharma.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">17. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">18. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]14] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jay ko man jaa<u>n</u>ai man ko-ay. ||14||</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Only those who are intrinsically spiritual alone can know it.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">19. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY pwvih moKu duAwru ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">mannai paavahi mo<u>kh</u> <u>d</u>u-aar.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Those who are intrinsically spiritual qualify for the ultimate liberation.</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">20. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY prvwrY swDwru ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mannai parvaarai saa<u>Dh</u>aar.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual influence the people around them and which elevates them too.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">21. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY qrY qwry guru isK ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">mannai <u>t</u>arai <u>t</u>aaray gur si<u>kh</u>.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Those who are intrinsically spiritual help others to put them on the path of spiritual evolution.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">22. </span></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">mMnY nwnk Bvih n iBK ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">mannai naanak <u>bh</u>avahi na <u>bh</u>i<u>kh</u>.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual do not go round seeking support from others for their own sustenance. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Discussion:</span></span></u></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Begging by religious people was a practice in some religions. Guru Sahib is saying that those who are intrinsically spiritual do not depend on others. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">23. </span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">24.</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"> jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]15] </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">jay ko man jaa<u>n</u>ai man ko-ay. ||15||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who are intrinsically spiritual qualify for the ultimate liberation.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With this I close this posting. Please help me to deepen my understanding.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With love and respect for all.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Amarpal</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amarpal, post: 1542, member: 10"] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Dear Members,[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]In this post, I share with you all, my understanding of 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th Pauri of Japji Sahib.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]I have taken these four Pauris together because all of these basically talk about [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY[/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]The sentences of these Pauris are given serial number of easy reference, if needed. [/size][/font][/color] [color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Sahib says:[/size][/font][/color] [color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=maroon][size=3][font=Arial Unicode MS]1. [/font][/size][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny kI giq khI n jwie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannay kee ga[u]t[/u] kahee na jaa-ay.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The state of those who [color=maroon]are intrinsically spiritual [/color]cannot be described.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [u][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Discussion:[/size][/font][/u] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]I had problem in understanding what Guru Sahib meant by this sentence. The problem came from the word [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY.[/font][/color] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The English words that are used for these two words of Gurmukhi in the published literature on Siri Guru Granth Sahib are: faithful, obeyer, believer, and true believer. All these words apply to the individual who belong to this world. Their state i.e. [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]giq[/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3] can be described; the physical, mental, psychological, behavioral, DNA, medical and bio-chemical attributes can be described. As a result, the question that comes to my mind, why have Guru Sahib have said that the state of this [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY [/font][/color][size=3][font=Times New Roman][color=maroon]cannot be described. Guru Sahib cannot be wrong, my understanding can be wrong.[/color] After pondering over this issue, I realised that only if we do not have words to describe the state, then only this difficulty, which Guru Sahib has pointed out, can arise. Such a situation can arise only if the individual does not belong to the world for which we have all the words. We have words for the material world; we do not have words for the world beyond. This clue tells me that [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY[/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3] is probably refers to the individual who physically live in this world but really has crossed it and belongs to the ‘spiritual world’. The actions of [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY[/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3] are not stemming from any desire or emotion. Her/his actions are coming from the spirituality within her/him. This individual [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY[/font][/color][color=maroon][size=3][font=Times New Roman] is intrinsically spiritual, her/ his spirituality does not come from any external source it is all from within. [/font][/size][/color] [color=maroon][size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size][/color] [color=maroon][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Such an individual has realise the ‘Sat’, but has no words to convey to the world what that realisation is. To me, this is what Guru Sahib meant when he said that the state of [/size][/font][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][/color][color=maroon][size=3][font=Times New Roman]couldn’t be described. [/font][/size][/color] [color=maroon][size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size][/color] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]This understanding forms my basis to use the term ‘intrinsically spiritual’ to mean [/size][/font][font=WebAkharThick]mMny [/font][font=Times New Roman][size=3]or [/size][/font][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY[/font][font=Times New Roman][size=3] in the English translation.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]2. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]jy ko khY ipCY pCuqwie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]jay ko kahai pi[u]chh[/u]ai pa[u]chh[/u]u[u]t[/u]aa-ay.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The individual who tries to describe this state shall regret the attempt.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [u][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Discussion:[/size][/font][/u] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]As evident from the discussion on Sentence # 1, we do not have words to describe the state of intrinsically spiritual person. After all, the words exist for items in common knowledge and those, which constitute common experience of a perception, feeling etc. The experience of ‘Sat’ falls in none of these two classes. So if some one tries to explain this experience she/he will have to depend on words, whatever will be described will be very approximate, as words cannot exactly reflect what the individual wants to convey. In addition the same word has different meaning to different individuals, what is said by one can mean something different to different individuals; this can lead to further distortion in what the individual describing the experience meant. Naturally, the individual who has attempted to describe will regret when she/he finds a wide gap in what she/he wanted to convey and what do different individuals have understood. [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]This is what is my understanding of what Guru Sahib wanted to convey through this sentence. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]3. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]kwgid klm n ilKxhwru ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]kaaga[u]d[/u] kalam na li[u]kh[/u]a[u]n[/u]haar.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]There is no paper, no pen, and no scribe to describe.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]4. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMny kw bih krin vIcwru ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannay kaa bahi karan veechaar.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [color=maroon][size=3][font=Times New Roman]The record of the state of individual who are intrinsically spiritual can only be a subject of thinking.[/font][/size][/color] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]5. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is. (Please note I have used the word Sat for Naam). [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [u][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Discussion:[/size][/font][/u] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Sahib has used the word ‘Satnaam’ in the Mool Mantra. It is understood to mean that the ‘One’ is true, or truth is ‘One’ name or something similar. My understanding is different, which I elaborate below.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]‘Sat’ means the ultimate, which remains when every thing disappear; it is the source and repository of all. What this ‘Sat’ really is only those who had realised know it; it is not in common knowledge. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]There is no specific name that can be given to this entity. Any attempt to do so will restrict it to the confines that the word implies. Any name given will confer its attributes to this ‘Sat’, which tends to pollute it. The limitless cannot be confined in the meaning of any word. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]To me it appears, it is for this above mentioned reason Guru Sahib has not given any specific name to this ‘Sat’; he has left his name to be known as ‘Naam’ only; this word does not confine or give any attribute to ‘Sat’. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]When I use the word ‘Naam,’ to me it implies ‘Sat’. For me ‘Sat’ is ‘Naam’ and ‘Naam’ implies ‘Sat’. For this reason, I have used the word ‘Sat’ in the English translation for the word [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]nwmu[/font][/color][size=3][font=Times New Roman][color=maroon] i.e. Naam[/color]. [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]6. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]12] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]jay ko man jaa[u]n[/u]ai man ko-ay. ||12|| [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Only those who are intrinsically spiritual (who have realised ‘Sat’) alone can know it.[/size][/font] [color=navy][font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]7. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY suriq hovY min buiD ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai sura[u]t[/u] hovai man bu[u]Dh[/u].[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual have an awareness of the enlightened.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]8. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY sgl Bvx kI suiD ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai sagal [u]bh[/u]ava[u]n[/u] kee su[u]Dh[/u]. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual have the alertness for all that is around.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]9. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY muih cotw nw Kwie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai muhi chotaa naa [u]kh[/u]aa-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual will not be struck on the face. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman][u]Discussion:[/u] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The conduct of the intrinsically spiritual person will be such that no one will ever try to hurt this individual. Even if some one tries, it will not mean any thing to the intrinsically spiritual person.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]10. [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY jm kY swiQ n jwie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai jam kai saath na jaa-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual do not go with Yama the messenger of death.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [u][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Discussion:[/size][/font][/u] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]If the literal translation is to taken as true, then those individuals should be living with us now; we see none from the past. It means our understanding has to be corrected. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]To learn what Guru Sahib meant, we have to concentrate on two words: (i) Death and (ii) Yama. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Every time we sleep, during the period of sleep, in a way, we are dead. Yet we do not fear sleep because we know that in all probability we will get up again. Death is one-way event. We have attachments in this world we fear the loss, we do not want to die. Though death is a certain event, it was known the moment some one is born; yet no one prepares for it. It is the fear associate with this even that makes it so dreadful.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Yama is a mythological entity. To me it is just an artistic depiction of the fear of death; the figure is not real.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]To me, it appears, that Guru Sahib is telling us that the intrinsically spiritual figure is prepared for her/his death; this individual has no fear of death. As there is no fear, there cannot be Yama. It is for this reason Guru Sahib has said that [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY jm kY swiQ n jwie ][/font][/color] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]11. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]12. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]13] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]jay ko man jaa[u]n[/u]ai man ko-ay. ||13||[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Only those who are intrinsically spiritual alone can know it. [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick] [/font][/color] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]13. [/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY mwrig Twk n pwie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai maarag [u]th[/u]aak na paa-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]The path of those who are intrinsically spiritual shall never be blocked.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]14. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY piq isau prgtu jwie ] [/font][/color][size=3][font=Tahoma]mannai pa[u]t[/u] si-o pargat jaa-ay.[/font][color=navy][/color][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual have totally transparent lives. (Meaning that they have nothing to hide).[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]15. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY mgu n clY pMQu ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai mag na chalai panth.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual do not follow rituals.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [u][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Discussion:[/size][/font][/u] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]As ‘Karta Purakh’ is nirakaar, rituals have no meaning to it. The intrinsically spiritual persons, who has realised the ‘Sat’ knows it and hence does not practice the rituals. Such individual has elevated herself/himself much above the worldly acts, including religious rituals. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] 16. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY Drm syqI snbMDu ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai [u]Dh[/u]aram say[u]t[/u]ee san-ban[u]Dh[/u].[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual follow their Dharma.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]17. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]18. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]14] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]jay ko man jaa[u]n[/u]ai man ko-ay. ||14||[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Only those who are intrinsically spiritual alone can know it.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]19. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY pwvih moKu duAwru ] [/font][/color][size=3][font=Times New Roman]mannai paavahi mo[u]kh[/u] [u]d[/u]u-aar. Those who are intrinsically spiritual qualify for the ultimate liberation. 20. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY prvwrY swDwru ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]mannai parvaarai saa[u]Dh[/u]aar.[/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual influence the people around them and which elevates them too.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]21. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY qrY qwry guru isK ] [/font][/color][size=3][font=Tahoma]mannai [u]t[/u]arai [u]t[/u]aaray gur si[u]kh[/u]. [/font] [font=Times New Roman]Those who are intrinsically spiritual help others to put them on the path of spiritual evolution.[/font][/size] [color=navy][size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size][/color] [color=navy][size=3][font=Times New Roman]22. [/font][/size][/color][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]mMnY nwnk Bvih n iBK ] [/font][/color][size=3][font=Tahoma]mannai naanak [u]bh[/u]avahi na [u]bh[/u]i[u]kh[/u]. [/font][color=navy][/color][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual do not go round seeking support from others for their own sustenance. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [u][font=Times New Roman][size=3]Discussion:[/size][/font][/u] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Begging by religious people was a practice in some religions. Guru Sahib is saying that those who are intrinsically spiritual do not depend on others. [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]23. [/font][/size][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick]AYsw nwmu inrMjnu hoie ] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay. [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]So immaculate the ‘Sat’ is.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]24.[/size][/font][color=maroon][font=WebAkharThick] jy ko mMin jwxY min koie ]15] [/font][/color][font=Tahoma][size=3]jay ko man jaa[u]n[/u]ai man ko-ay. ||15|| [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Those who are intrinsically spiritual qualify for the ultimate liberation.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]With this I close this posting. Please help me to deepen my understanding.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]With love and respect for all.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size] [font='Times New Roman']Amarpal[/font] [/QUOTE]
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