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<blockquote data-quote="Luckysingh" data-source="post: 163208" data-attributes="member: 16886"><p>Astroboy ji,</p><p>There are in fact many shabads that state very similar to 'jivat marai har sio chit lai' <span style="font-size: 15px">ਜੀਵਤੁ ਮਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਏ </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Those who focus their consciousness(chit) on the Lord remain dead towards the world, yet are still alive.</span></p><p></p><p>The one above is by Guru Amar Das Ji - P116.</p><p> </p><p>It's actually a very powerful verse in numerous shabads that was picked up and discussed by Bhagat Singh Ji not long ago in another unrelated thread. </p><p> </p><p>I will quote a few below from the different Guru's and Bhagats.</p><p> </p><p><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 153</span></span></u></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਜੀਵਤੁ ਮਰੈ ਮਹਾ ਰਸੁ ਆਗੈ ॥੨॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Jīvaṯ marai mahā ras āgai. ||2||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">One who remains dead while yet <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">alive</span></strong> obtains the greatest happiness hereafter. ||2||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span> - </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=147&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=6110#l6110" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 147, Line 15</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਜੀਵਦਿਆ ਮਰੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਨ ਪਛੋਤਾਈਐ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Jīvḏi▫ā mar mār na pacẖẖoṯā▫ī▫ai.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">While you are alive,conquer death, and you shall have no regrets in the end.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span> - </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=221&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=9514#l9514" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 221, Line 3</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਉਲਟ ਭਈ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਗਿਆ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Ulat bẖa▫ī jīvaṯ mar jāgi▫ā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">When I turned away, and became dead while yet alive, I was awakened.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span> - </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=213&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=9221#l9221" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 213, Line 13</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਜਾ ਕਉ ਰੇ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੈ ਜੀਵਤ ਸੋਈ ਮਰੈ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਤਰੈ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Jā ka▫o re kirpā karai jīvaṯ so▫ī marai sāḏẖsang mā▫i▫ā ṯarai.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Those, unto whom the Lord shows His Mercy, remain dead while yet alive. In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, they cross over the ocean of Maya.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Arjan Dev</strong></span> </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=245&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=10754#l10754" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 245, Line 18</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਇਉ ਮਰੀਐ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Gurmukẖ bẖagaṯ parāpaṯ hovai jīvṯi▫ā i▫o marī▫ai.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">The Gurmukh obtains devotional worship of the Lord, and thus remains dead while yet alive.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Amar Das</strong></span> </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=139&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=5680#l5680" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 139, Line 2</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਜੀਭੈ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਇਉ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਣਾ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Jībẖai bājẖahu bolṇā i▫o jīvaṯ marṇā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">to speak without a tongue-like this, one remains dead while yet alive</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Angad Dev</strong></span></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=327&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=14962#l14962" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 327, Line 2</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਤਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਜਬ ਜੀਵਤ ਮੂਆ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Ŧab jāni▫ā jab jīvaṯ mū▫ā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">When I became dead while yet alive, only then did I come to know the Lord.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Devotee Kabir</strong></span> </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=449&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=20381#l20381" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 449, Line 2</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਜੀਵਨ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਸੋ ਆਖੀਐ ਮਰਿ ਜੀਵੈ ਮਰੀਆ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Jīvan mukaṯ so ākẖī▫ai mar jīvai marī▫ā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Those who die, and remain dead while yet alive, are said to be Jivan Mukta, liberated while yet alive.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Ram Das</strong></span></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1166&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=50206#l50206" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 1166, Line 14</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਜਉ ਗੁਰਦੇਉ ਤ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰੈ ॥੧॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Ja▫o gurḏe▫o ṯa jīvaṯ marai. ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">By the Grace of the Divine Guru, one remains dead while yet alive. ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Devotee Namdev</strong></span></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1383&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=59002#l59002" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page 1383, Line 15</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪਿਛਲ ਰਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਗਿਓਹਿ ਜੀਵਦੜੋ ਮੁਇਓਹਿ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Farīḏā picẖẖal rāṯ na jāgi▫ohi jīvaḏ▫ṛo mu▫i▫ohi.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Fareed, if you do not awaken in the early hours before dawn, you are dead while yet alive.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Sekh Farid</strong></span> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>As you can see this was re emphasised throughout the bani. </p><p>Guru Amar Das Ji however, stated it slightly more often than others.</p><p> </p><p>Guru Nanak spoke about it as an awakening and explained it as a way to conquer death, thus attain liberation.</p><p> </p><p>It is something, that one should just try doing. Not easy at all,- it's too easy to simply go through a physical death, as that just happens without control. But, when you try to detach mind and soul, then it becomes much harder as you try to stay attached to the body (to keep it and stay alive). On the other hand when your body(physical body) dies, it detaches without effort however conscious is still there.</p><p> </p><p>Sat Kartar</p><p>Lucky Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Luckysingh, post: 163208, member: 16886"] Astroboy ji, There are in fact many shabads that state very similar to 'jivat marai har sio chit lai' [SIZE=4]ਜੀਵਤੁ ਮਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਏ [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Those who focus their consciousness(chit) on the Lord remain dead towards the world, yet are still alive.[/SIZE] The one above is by Guru Amar Das Ji - P116. It's actually a very powerful verse in numerous shabads that was picked up and discussed by Bhagat Singh Ji not long ago in another unrelated thread. I will quote a few below from the different Guru's and Bhagats. [U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 153[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਜੀਵਤੁ ਮਰੈ ਮਹਾ ਰਸੁ ਆਗੈ ॥੨॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Jīvaṯ marai mahā ras āgai. ||2||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]One who remains dead while yet [B][COLOR=#ab5555]alive[/COLOR][/B] obtains the greatest happiness hereafter. ||2||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR] - [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=147&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=6110#l6110"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 147, Line 15[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਜੀਵਦਿਆ ਮਰੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਨ ਪਛੋਤਾਈਐ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Jīvḏi▫ā mar mār na pacẖẖoṯā▫ī▫ai.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]While you are alive,conquer death, and you shall have no regrets in the end.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR] - [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=221&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=9514#l9514"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 221, Line 3[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਉਲਟ ਭਈ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਗਿਆ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Ulat bẖa▫ī jīvaṯ mar jāgi▫ā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]When I turned away, and became dead while yet alive, I was awakened.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR] - [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=213&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=9221#l9221"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 213, Line 13[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਜਾ ਕਉ ਰੇ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੈ ਜੀਵਤ ਸੋਈ ਮਰੈ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਤਰੈ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Jā ka▫o re kirpā karai jīvaṯ so▫ī marai sāḏẖsang mā▫i▫ā ṯarai.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Those, unto whom the Lord shows His Mercy, remain dead while yet alive. In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, they cross over the ocean of Maya.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Arjan Dev[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=245&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=10754#l10754"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 245, Line 18[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਇਉ ਮਰੀਐ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Gurmukẖ bẖagaṯ parāpaṯ hovai jīvṯi▫ā i▫o marī▫ai.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]The Gurmukh obtains devotional worship of the Lord, and thus remains dead while yet alive.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Amar Das[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=139&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=5680#l5680"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 139, Line 2[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਜੀਭੈ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਇਉ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਣਾ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Jībẖai bājẖahu bolṇā i▫o jīvaṯ marṇā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]to speak without a tongue-like this, one remains dead while yet alive[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Angad Dev[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=327&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=14962#l14962"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 327, Line 2[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਤਬ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਜਬ ਜੀਵਤ ਮੂਆ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Ŧab jāni▫ā jab jīvaṯ mū▫ā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]When I became dead while yet alive, only then did I come to know the Lord.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Devotee Kabir[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=449&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=20381#l20381"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 449, Line 2[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਜੀਵਨ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਸੋ ਆਖੀਐ ਮਰਿ ਜੀਵੈ ਮਰੀਆ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Jīvan mukaṯ so ākẖī▫ai mar jīvai marī▫ā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Those who die, and remain dead while yet alive, are said to be Jivan Mukta, liberated while yet alive.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Ram Das[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1166&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=50206#l50206"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 1166, Line 14[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਜਉ ਗੁਰਦੇਉ ਤ ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰੈ ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Ja▫o gurḏe▫o ṯa jīvaṯ marai. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]By the Grace of the Divine Guru, one remains dead while yet alive. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Devotee Namdev[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1383&h=0&fb=0&english=t&id=59002#l59002"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]Page 1383, Line 15[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪਿਛਲ ਰਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਗਿਓਹਿ ਜੀਵਦੜੋ ਮੁਇਓਹਿ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Farīḏā picẖẖal rāṯ na jāgi▫ohi jīvaḏ▫ṛo mu▫i▫ohi.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Fareed, if you do not awaken in the early hours before dawn, you are dead while yet alive.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Sekh Farid[/B][/COLOR] As you can see this was re emphasised throughout the bani. Guru Amar Das Ji however, stated it slightly more often than others. Guru Nanak spoke about it as an awakening and explained it as a way to conquer death, thus attain liberation. It is something, that one should just try doing. Not easy at all,- it's too easy to simply go through a physical death, as that just happens without control. But, when you try to detach mind and soul, then it becomes much harder as you try to stay attached to the body (to keep it and stay alive). On the other hand when your body(physical body) dies, it detaches without effort however conscious is still there. Sat Kartar Lucky Singh [/QUOTE]
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